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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:17 AM
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The straw man arguement that FedEx and UPS are so different as to warrant exclusion from our compeitive peer group is completely self refuting. If all the money flying airplanes is truly into cargo as the arguement for competitive peer excusion is made, then why are those very same managers making that arguement the same ones saying there is no money in cargo? And then tripping all over themselves to sign massive postal contracts as fast as they can precicely because of how lucritive it is?

We have difficulty with payloads and performance on several long haul routes due to the tons of cargo we load, and some of those routes have nothing to do with short runways or high terrain (like ATH when we were carrying so much yogurt and/or marble we were load limited).

So if all the money is in cargo and we therefore can't throw those rates in for comparison, then why are we not going into cargo? If there's no money in cargo, how can they afford those rates?

Bottom line, they fly the same equipment in the same airspace and hire from the same talent pool of pilots as we do, and they are global powerhouses like we are. So it is pure fantasy to think they are somehow so seperate that they are irrelevant.

And absolutely ROFL @ anyone who claims SWA isn't not only a competitive peer but also an absolute floor for compensation as they are 100% relevant.
Originally Posted by slowplay
Very nice rant. If you go back, you'll see that I said FedEx and WN will be in our contract comparison.

BTW, the money isn't in cargo, it's in overnight express packages. At least according to FedEx and UPS. DHL found out it wasn't, and so is the USPS.
How is this a rant. Standard ALPA behavior - belittle and demean ideas contrary to their own.
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
How is this a rant. Standard ALPA behavior - belittle and demean ideas contrary to their own.
Yep. That's the model.
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:34 AM
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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Unless you are senior to me in my category, which is pretty much everybody
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hoser,

You still out here? If so we should get together for a beer!

Denny

I love beer!!! But now I'm living the dream in Atlanta.
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
Unless you are senior to me in my category, which is pretty much everybody
I heard in your category the bid doesn't close til the 17th.
Old 07-11-2011 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
OK, t, I give up.
you too????
Old 07-11-2011 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
... Standard ALPA behavior - belittle and demean ideas contrary to their own.
Actually, I'd say that is the standard (unfortunately) for everyone on this board.

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Old 07-11-2011 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Are you my old girlfriends dad????
That's cold dude.
Old 07-11-2011 | 06:33 AM
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Oh great. Clark Howard is back to his Delta bashing and Southwest loving again. Today he pointed out our last place customer satisfaction rating from some recent survey. He had a huge smile when he glowingly stated the number one carrier was southwest. I thought he was going to make happypants juice on live tv!! He then stated how you can get so much more on a low cost carrier than a legacy. Really? How are those first class seats treating ya hater boy. Delta must have really ****ed in this guys cheerios in the past for him to always bash us.

(In no way is this a Southwest bash, just a Clark Howard bash)
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