Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2011 | 08:54 AM
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Come on Man,
That is like a coach telling his team, "Im glad we're a team that is over 500 for the year and we made the playoffs, but we came up short and got knocked out the first round." You go in and want to win the whole thing!! You and ALPA seem like settling for some 10% raise is the answer. Don't you want significant gains for our pilot group? A 40% pay cut under a bankruptcy contract, loss of a pension, and now the company is making money. SWA plus should be just a start. They fly just 737 and our fleet goes up to 747-777-330. Its not even apples to oranges and you keep posting on here like we can't even get over their rates. You are unreal!!
That is like a coach telling his team, "Im glad we're a team that is over 500 for the year and we made the playoffs, but we came up short and got knocked out the first round." You go in and want to win the whole thing!! You and ALPA seem like settling for some 10% raise is the answer. Don't you want significant gains for our pilot group? A 40% pay cut under a bankruptcy contract, loss of a pension, and now the company is making money. SWA plus should be just a start. They fly just 737 and our fleet goes up to 747-777-330. Its not even apples to oranges and you keep posting on here like we can't even get over their rates. You are unreal!!
I wonder if he was given the job by National to bring down our expectations, so a small win would be exactly what they were looking for? They did what they said, right? A small win, is a win......
He likes to compare us to Unical, saying we are higher paid. Why doesn't he compare us to TACA in El Salvador? We have a much better contract than they do. How has Unical done with their SOC? We did ours in record time (leverage given away). We did it that fast to make sure our company could realize those synergies faster, giving us a better chance of restoring a lot of what we lost. But he wants to compare us to peers that are dysfunctional, that don't really have a good business plan, that will take years to sort out. What we really need is a lot more FNWA blood in the NC. They had it right, and got things done, without going to 4th floor kid's birthday parties.
Slow needs to turn that attitude around, and tell the union that they need to be more proactive with their major client, the one that gives it more than $30 million a year in dues. He needs to repeat over and over "help me, help YOU." Get that survey out NOW, and start representing, instead of managing expectations.
07-11-2011 | 09:03 AM
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Sailing, you need to go to what Herb Keller told his first pilots when he started the airline. These pilots bought it too, and now are quite wealthy. He told them he wanted to pay them differently that the industry had historically paid pilots, if they agreed to this, they would make more money than they ever would have under the typical methodology that most airlines used. To date he has been correct in that statement.
I also am of the school of though that there are many ways to skin this cat, an the LUV model is not the only one. I take the point that they found a different way to compensate their pilots and it has returned a nice return for their pilots.
Hourly they have historically been below the legacies,and it has been only the last five years that they have been above us. Pilots have a short memory. I believe the that if our union stated something that told their pilots that first they heard them and second they would carry their fight forward much of the consternation would ebb away. Or simply put, scope sales are over, and we understand you want your career back. Whomever said that would get a bronze statue in Herndon. The issue is no one has to date had the gumption to say that, and as a result pilots are grabbing at straws.
Like I have said, there are tons of really good ideas out there to enhance our pilots careers. Our union needs to listen to them and not discredit these ideas because of the ideas were not organically produced. The unions job is simple, protect, promote and grow a pilots career.
I also am of the school of though that there are many ways to skin this cat, an the LUV model is not the only one. I take the point that they found a different way to compensate their pilots and it has returned a nice return for their pilots.
Hourly they have historically been below the legacies,and it has been only the last five years that they have been above us. Pilots have a short memory. I believe the that if our union stated something that told their pilots that first they heard them and second they would carry their fight forward much of the consternation would ebb away. Or simply put, scope sales are over, and we understand you want your career back. Whomever said that would get a bronze statue in Herndon. The issue is no one has to date had the gumption to say that, and as a result pilots are grabbing at straws.
Like I have said, there are tons of really good ideas out there to enhance our pilots careers. Our union needs to listen to them and not discredit these ideas because of the ideas were not organically produced. The unions job is simple, protect, promote and grow a pilots career.
07-11-2011 | 09:03 AM
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Well, two out of three ain't bad!!
(Don't have an ex-wife!) Hey, I'm only 52. Gosh, when I just typed that it does seem kind of old.
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07-11-2011 | 09:05 AM
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Had a five year SWA FO in the jumpseat this weekend. He said his W2 last year was $145k. He said he doesn't fly much overtime but his friends that do make in upwards of $170-175k. I thought my Captain was going to poop when that number was thrown out. He had no idea they brought home that much. Nor did he know that five year FO's were making more than him as a 12 year 88 Capt.
07-11-2011 | 09:11 AM
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Exactly! And they do this with no premium level product. I find it interesting that the company can make a healthy profit when fuel rises $1b in a quarter but the prevailing attitude is we will be uncompetitive if we get more than a small raise.
07-11-2011 | 09:23 AM
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Had a five year SWA FO in the jumpseat this weekend. He said his W2 last year was $145k. He said he doesn't fly much overtime but his friends that do make in upwards of $170-175k. I thought my Captain was going to poop when that number was thrown out. He had no idea they brought home that much. Nor did he know that five year FO's were making more than him as a 12 year 88 Capt.
07-11-2011 | 09:49 AM
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Once again, that customer satisfaction is a direct correlation to poor control of outsourcing on our part. Time to sunset those agreements. Our managers don't care since they won't be here and are just looking for short term gains, but we should be keenly interested as this is the future of our careers continuing to be squandered.
07-11-2011 | 10:07 AM
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He likes to compare us to Unical, saying we are higher paid. Why doesn't he compare us to TACA in El Salvador? We have a much better contract than they do. How has Unical done with their SOC? We did ours in record time (leverage given away). We did it that fast to make sure our company could realize those synergies faster, giving us a better chance of restoring a lot of what we lost. But he wants to compare us to peers that are dysfunctional, that don't really have a good business plan, that will take years to sort out. What we really need is a lot more FNWA blood in the NC. They had it right, and got things done, without going to 4th floor kid's birthday parties.
Slow needs to turn that attitude around, and tell the union that they need to be more proactive with their major client, the one that gives it more than $30 million a year in dues. He needs to repeat over and over "help me, help YOU." Get that survey out NOW, and start representing, instead of managing expectations.
Slow needs to turn that attitude around, and tell the union that they need to be more proactive with their major client, the one that gives it more than $30 million a year in dues. He needs to repeat over and over "help me, help YOU." Get that survey out NOW, and start representing, instead of managing expectations.
Can you please show me how I've managed your expectations? I've pointed out some facts. I've pointed out some flaws in arguments. I haven't been a cheerleader for strategies that have failed in the past. How does this manage your expectations when I don't even know who your anonymous webboard pseudonym is?
Turning to your points, it's my view that your reference to TACA is an attempt to paint my use of Unical and Airways as absurd. I disagree. Unical has 17.3% of the domestic US market compared to Delta's 16.6%. LUV is at 14.4% and LCC is at 7.9%. I've mentioned all those carriers in my responses; together those 4 make up 55% of the US market. TACA isn't on the list. btw, the 4 largest that I haven't mentioned (AMR, B6, ALA, and AAI) make up less than 25% of US capacity.
You believe that the Delta pilots gave up leverage in getting to a JCBA. The record shows that our payrates are over 17% higher because of that contract, retirement funding went from 11% to 14% DC, and we got stock worth $450 million today. Larger but as you describe dysfunctional UAL/CAL have seen nothing with the leverage that they've been given in the year since their merger. I point out again that a Delta A320 Captain is making $168/hr compared to his UAL peer's $137.
As to going to birthday parties, look at the track record of those that attend parties vs those that don't. In SWAPA's merger brochure with AAI there are references to a collaborative, company supportive relationship throughout the document. They have the highest pay rate in the passenger industry. Some Delta guys went to a party pre-merger...our pay rates are higher than all of our passenger airline peers except the aforementioned carrier. All those "old-school" tough unions have lower rates of pay. Thoughts?
07-11-2011 | 10:24 AM
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Once again, that customer satisfaction is a direct correlation to poor control of outsourcing on our part. Time to sunset those agreements. Our managers don't care since they won't be here and are just looking for short term gains, but we should be keenly interested as this is the future of our careers continuing to be squandered.
07-11-2011 | 10:25 AM
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Any fellow DAL bros gonna be laying over in MCO tomorrow night?
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