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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1021812)

This morning, I received this article in an email. For those of you who haven't seen it and are interested in perspective on conflict of interest at ALPA with regard to scope, here's a link to the article:

Who Has A Say In Our Contract

Couldnt have said it better!!! Support DPA!!!!!

I enjoy when people come out of lurk mode. :D

Bar, dont forget, giving grandma a pain pill will soon be government policy. As to dal management staying the course, outside of scope, I agree. Ignore the stock price, it's probably just down because someone figured out DALs costs are about to go up.

Especially since the DPA just got another member.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1021764)

Or it was always their intent to allow a holding company isolation so that DAL could dive the costs down in the DCI portfolio operation.......

Not as I read it. The only conclusion I can come to, if the MEC chooses not to pursue RAH legally, is that the MEC is still okay with outsourcing.:confused:

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”Anyone who tells you otherwise is either misinformed or attempting to intentionally mislead you.”

Guys, just look at our history.

ALPA got sued defending the right of mainline pilots to bargain exclusively. ALPA was on OUR SIDE.

The Delta and Northwest MEC's came up with scope sales on their own YEARS BEFORE the Ford / Cooksey settlement. We negotiated these deals and WE RATIFIED them.

The problem with our scope is INTERNAL. WE CREATED THIS OUTSOURCING PROBLEM BY FIGHTING UNITY AND TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON DIS-UNITY. WE DID NOT WANT (as an MEC) TO PERFORM SMALL JET FLYING AND WE STILL DO NOT WANT TO PERFORM SMALL JET FLYING.

That is the problem. The problem is not National, it is a disagreement that guys like me have been losing for a decade here, locally. You see it going on right now with the gerrymandering of the Negotiating Committee just prior to a small jet RFP.

The DPA can't offer a solution until they correctly identify the problem. Blaming National will not change anything.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1021824)

Not as I read it. The only conclusion I can come to, if the MEC chooses not to pursue RAH legally, is that the MEC is still okay with outsourcing.:confused:

YES, THEY ARE.

They (same body, different people) changed Section 1 to remove the operative provisions which forced ACA / Indy Air out of DCI. That is why Republic is NOT a violation. It was, and is, intentional.

Again, I am amazed by the "I am incompetent" argument. It would be better if the MEC would man up and be outspoken on the issue instead of hiding behind questionable legal opinions and blaming others.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1021827)

Today Captains Ford and Cooksey are both retired. No one has expressed any interest in compelling compliance with the provisions of the settlement agreement.

Bar, there are plenty of us still here who fully intend this policy to be complied with.

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Originally Posted by LCS25 (Post 1021796)

I held out higher hopes for you than this. I guess that you are missing your ALPA work.

At least you brought me out of lurk mode. To say that the administration isn't using the policy manuel to their benefit in this instance of this NC debacle is disingenuous at best, an an outright lie all likelihood. Here are my predictions:

You will see two guys initials RH and BF run for negotiating committee. You may remember RH as the one storming out of the room when he was NOT elected chairman of a certain committee, sending the minions (defined as guys on ALPA trip drops with no title in the union) scurrying out of the room to develop a hasty contingency plan when the MEC threw them a curve ball. That left RH jobless, and BF is a rep without a council. I find it fascinating that the predominant argument against the donut crowd is "don't upset the balance so close to section 6", yet that is exactly what we are about to do.

Hey, I'm not saying that there aren't politics out there. Everything is politics. Just don't let the likes of slo, alfa, and PG tell you that this isn't.

Wanna hear more? Let's head to the national level. ALPA, the organization founded on safety, will soon have no national safety chairman position, or security chairman, or jumpseat chairman, or training chairman. These positions and responsibilities will soon be assimilated by much more qualified people: the top national officers mostly the 1st vice president. BTW, isn't it interesting that 3 of the top 6 are Delta guys? It would already be done already, except the EC summarily rejected the idea outright, forcing the national chairman to cancel the vote to change the policy manual in order to regroup, AND THEN SOLICIT INPUT FROM VARIOUS COMMITTEE MEMBERS. Funny how the input wasn't requested prior to trying the forced push. Expect this to be shoved though in the very near future, if it has not already been done. There have already been some resignations from key national positions who want no part of this. Reason cited for the change: streamlining of the process and cost containment. Real reason: sidestep of key individuals who are experts in the process in order to further agendas. Result: tightening of the power group within ALPA, and less checks and balances.

There is more, oh so much more. The irony: I am not a donut person. I am an ALPA person. I am, however, in the process of reevaluation as the developments at national, trickling down to Delta, disgust me. More resignations coming. Keep watching.

I want to go to the horsetrack with you. I think everything you said is true and will come to pass just like you said it.

Truth...its amazing what it can do.

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Originally Posted by LCS25 (Post 1021796)

Sadly I have heard the same things. Factually, there were pilots on the Safety Committee from DAL that resigned because of the politicizing of the Committee. If this goes ahead as published it take a lot of the benefits of ALPA National away. :mad:

What you state is what I have heard is going on. A huge mistake IMO. On the DALPA level, there are tons of Chairs and Vice Chairs really fed up, but quitting is not the answer either. To make sustainable change this group needs to stand up and fight, hold their reps accountable, and remove them when necessary.

Bar, read the policy manual again. As I read it, wrt to the NC, it is very suggestive and not directive. A Conference call of reaffirmation would have sufficed.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1021812)

I don't even know how to respond.....I haven't 'turned in my card' to DPA....yet...but am asking myself daily, "why NOT"???

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1021765)

Bingo. We need to deal with this or we will be in real trouble within five years. Part of the problem is all of these agents are over worked. I would put two at each gate. It always impresses me how smoothly the operations overseas run. Two to three agents at the gate, and all issues are dealt with quickly and with respect.

It'll take more than just putting two at each gate, but it's a start. A great number of them require remedial training in several areas. Last time I was non-reving the senior gate agent spent half his time trying to help the junior one figure something out, and the other half on the phone trying to figure out how to do something else. He completely ignored the line that was in front of him, even when he got off the phone as he had to offer reimbursement to passengers who would voluntarily take themselves off the flight. That he enjoyed, because it was something he knew how to do. He enjoyed it so much he jabbered with those who wanted to give up their seats as he rounded them up to one side. Yet the line in front of him remained stagnant. I watched all of this just knowing I was not going to get on the flight, but fortunately for me he gave enough $400 coupons, dinners, breakfasts, and hotel rooms that I got a seat. As far as a good business practice, though, I hope it doesn't happen that often (paying rev pax to miss the flight so non-rev can get a seat). What definitely happens too frequently is the display of not knowing how to do their jobs well while at the same time showing customers a decent amount of respect and appreciation. Would I want to walk a mile in their shoes? H*!! no! But that's the job they've been entrusted with and it's a shame too many don't do it better. Fortunately, the majority know how to do it well, and with a greater level of customer service. But those who don't really stand out and give the company a black eye after so many others are working hard to deliver as good a traveling experience as possible to fantastic customers.