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Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 1021703)

If MEM didn't vote with SEA, MSP and DTW how is this a vote along pre-merger lines?

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all. The MEM voting reps are not on board with large, restorative pay increases and they concurred with the lack of interest in pursuing the RAH scope violation.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1021698)

One other thing. LM isn't here anymore, you'll have to find another bogeyman. If you're really interested in TO's vision and not just political hackery, you can read the last 7 months of communications. You might concentrate on his Chairman's letters as a start.

Just a suggestion.

LM's imprint on this association didn't just vaporize when he left. But it does now belong to the current group, you are right about that. Also, I read everything. Very well written, very generic.

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1021570)

If the same lawyer team that helped craft Section 1 now advises us that the language is weak, something is amiss....

Either:

The original lawyers did a poor job
The current lawyers aren't good enough to get results
There is a lack of interest in pursuing legal action

I want to know which it is and why.

Cheers
George

Bump.

Can anyone answer this question?

Anyone?

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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1021724)

Bump.

Can anyone answer this question?

Anyone?

I would say D, all of the above.

ALPA will not be pursuing the RAH issue. Absolutely sickening.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1021586)

Well, it appears clear that your reps don't want or are not willing to do anything about it. Off the top of my head, here are a few options:

1) Recall your reps and put reps in that will do something about it. (Easier said than done.)

2) Get ALPA National to fire their current lawyers and replace them with competent ones. (Yeah, right.)

3) Get resolutions passed in most or all of the LEC's directing the MEC to pursue this legally. (Can you say, "received", or "we'll look into that and get back to you?")

4) Replace ALPA with different representation that is not afraid to argue matters of principle and will direct their attorneys to pursue this and will not accept failures with ineffective contract language. (Again, easier said than done.)

It's easier to make a point than make a difference.

But the point is, you can't make a difference in this system. I think Thomas Jefferson was right when he looked at another system that was bound never to change and said this:

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When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

You cannot change ALPA if you can't elect the top. The system is designed from within to prevent change. Recall all we want but we'll just end up having another election of people we've never met but who write us a nice pandering letter promising change, accountability, transparency, scope, pay, scope, pay and whatever else you want, is just all so very futile.

I actually appreciate Slow and PG and Sailing for coming on here and talking to us and expressing their point of view because it's more than the one snide sentence responses I've gotten from my LEC. Makes me see why showing up for a meeting at a hotel is just a waste of time.

We do not have a voice until we threaten to do the only thing we can do, replace. It's a notion pilots should understand, being replaced. After all, what replaced the NWA DC-9-10 or even the -30 and the Delta 737-200?

I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table? It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1021623)

Question for anyone holding DAL stock: If you had the amount of money in cash that you currently have in DAL stock, would you invest it in DAL stock? In other words, do you think DAL stock is the best performing investment you could have that money in?

BTW, I'm not trying to be critical. I'd just honestly like to know what you're thinking.

No. But I'm not selling either.

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 1021656)

I'm worried more about our customer service culture than I am about the price of oil. When I see a DCA gate agent use one hand to shoo away a customer with a question, or I see an ATL gate agent tell a Diamond Medallion member that she can't board the airplane with the open gate door without so much as a smile and an apology, I fear for my future.

We fly the airplanes safely and professionally, but the public *expects* that. Outstanding customer service is what attracts and retains customers, and I personally intend to go further out of my way to both set the example and write up those who either excel or fail at making our customers feel like they're the most important people in the world.

Worry. All I can say is FCR, here I come. I wont air this out here but at the same time.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1021623)

Airline Stocks-->Absolute worst investment. Like an idiot, I kept mine..DAMN IT!

TEN

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I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table. It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?

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Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. When the vote comes down the road, that is the time that the decision really has to be made. It's like a job interview. You really don't have to make a choice until the position is offered to you. Seriously, why NOT send a shot across the bow of ALPA?!?! Only good can come from that. What, you have friends at ALPA National that might be offended? Screw that. This is business and they have been performing poorly.

A few months ago I was deadheading out of PNS (as I recall) at o'dark thirty and a couple of ALPA bigwigs were put next to me on the flight. I don't remember their names, but I have seen their mustached faces in the monthly mag. I only wanted to catch a nap before my long day really got started, but they were proud to introduce themselves to me as so and so of ALPA, as if I should have known them by sight. They then asked me what I thought of the transition to DAL as I'd only been here about 3 years. In a very positive manner I outlined how much better DAL was than my previous employer. However, I did bring up a few sticking points as I've been a union member for a good while if you include my previous life. The few semi-negative comments I made were met boldly with the "talk to your reps" response. In other words, I felt they could have given two *******s about what I had to say. It was like water off a duck's back.

Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1021712)

But inexchange for that.......how much will WE have to give up? You can't have both, right? I am expecting DALPA to say we can either have more pay (hopefully SWA+ for our 737s), OR we can have no increase in our scope allowance. Notice no TIGHTENING of scope, just no loosening of scope. Cryptic, but expected. How about RESTORATION? We are a bargain. Come on slow, say it..."help me help YOU."

SWA+ isn't just about narrowbody short haul 117-137 seat payrates...its also about the scope that goes with those pay rates, which is far more of an improvement than the pay rates alone. They have the pay because they have the scope. The two are not separate issues.

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Originally Posted by Eck4Life (Post 1021731)

........Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. ..........Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.

Best advice any Delta pilot can get !