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You keep missing the point. Many of the pilot brotherhood have tried what you suggest. The infrastructure we call ALPA has been given opportunities to right the ship many times and yet they continue down a path the top leadership chooses contrary to what Delta Airline pilots are asking for. Truly, that ship has sailed.

Hell, right now ALPA could come out with a mission statement on scope and pay, with the aim of returning them to their proper place. They choose not to. Instead they fill their magazine with shameless self promotion referencing victories of laser light reductions and crew pass year 7 "we are getting closer" announcements. Yes, these are important causes but what is most troubling is that which is not discussed. To those pilots at mainline carriers this should register as a multiple alarm fire.

Please don't include me in your statement, I truly don't believe you talk for all Delta pilots. You have an opinion and 1 vote, I have an opinion and 1 vote. I think what you and I want are aligned, our differences occur on how we get there.

Jesse

07-13-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 1022024)

Just watch how many key strokes it takes to just check someone in not to mention doing something for someone that has a problem. I think it goes back to the IT being so outdated. A new system is needed badly that would simplify the whole process. Hopefully it is on its way!:mad:

I'm not an IT dude, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so I'm left to wonder in awe at how difficult implementing a new system would be. On the one hand you have this archaic system with a telephone book of codes to memorize in order to master it, and on the other a possible new system you would consider spending tons of money on but would require training time and working the kinks out of (or unteaching of bad habits), not to mention a system that is running 24/7 (i.e. when do you throw the switch and jump to the new system?). Glad (hope) they have smarter folks than me for such issues if and when they ever make the jump.

Jesse

07-13-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 1022024)

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Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1022030)

You mean a totally new one like fNWA had that was extremely easy for the agents to use. :eek:

And why did the company not bring over that new fuel system like fNWA had that required tap water instead of the old jet fuel we keep on using?:rolleyes:

1234	07-13-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1022110)

And why did the company not bring over that new fuel system like fNWA had that required tap water instead of the old jet fuel we keep on using?:rolleyes:

Because it came from above the Mason Dixon Line.

FedElta

07-13-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1022029)

the truth is, yes. Why, because we do not have more guys who work for dalpa feeling and vocalizing the same sentiment.

Prior to a diplomat taking his/her station posting, one of the sternest and most frequent warnings is: Never go native.

What that really means:
1. You are not personally important, your position is why you are treated like royalty. Not you. (dalpa officers vs mgmt)
2. Never forget who you work for and always report factually and truthfully. It makes the analysts job easier and keeps policy decisions more correct.

Our (dal pilots) goals are aligned with the company's success, but never to the detriment of our (dal pilots) goals.

+111111111111111111

Jack Bauer

07-13-2011 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1022106)

Understood. I did not say all. I said many of the Delta brotherhood. These are my observations based upon the Delta pilots I have spoke with. I understand your observations may be different from mine.

DAL 88 Driver

07-13-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1022083)

ALPA still has the championship when it comes to highest record contracts and gains in Section 6. Independent unions may lead now, but its only due to concessions, not due to their innate superiority to negotiate.

LOL. Yeah, and they still have the championship when it comes to massive contract concessions! AND a track record of not even fighting to get it back. :eek:

Check Essential

07-13-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1021988)

Republic Airlines Holdings pilots are TEAMSTERS members. There is no "conflict of interest" within ALPA. ALPA does not represent them.

I'm not talking about the RAH pilots filing the suit. I'm talking about American Eagle and all the other ALPA represented RJ pilots who would be affected now or in the future if we start to enforce that section of our contract.

Ferd149

07-13-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reroute (Post 1021981)

Ferd, PMFJI, but is there really more work as a negotiator because our pilot group is bigger? The contract still has the same number of sections. The number of pilots working under that contract, IMO, is not relevant to the work load of negotiating it. My understanding is that the cost of full time FPL, benefits, expenses, travel and lodging for the extra negotiator is over $400k/year. If the Negotiating Chairman says he prefers three vs. four, or he can be equally effective with three v. four, should it be a four man committee?

What you ask is way over my head, I was just asking because I don't know. I would think there is enough work during a section 6 for four guys with maybe only 3 needed during between years? Like you said, that should be up to the NC Chairman or at least he should have a major input.

I'll take your word on $400K per member per year but that does seem high to me. Assuming even a $200K FPL replacement, where would the other $200K come from. Not picking a fight, just trying to edUmakate myself.

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