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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1023441)
Because they don't work for the organization. They're supposed to work for the pilots who they represent. Any current ALPA rep that didn't feel that way should never again be allowed to do union work.
I would do it in a heartbeat because the people I would work for wouldnt have changed. Just the union name. Do you always answer your own questions? I thought so. ;) Carl I think we tend to take any of ALPA's failures and magnify them across decades, while not being aware of or even ignoring any success. Think that "DPA Aeromedical" will be anything remotely as effective or useful as ALPA Aeromedical? Guys complain about Age 65, but since it passed Congress unilaterally, we all see how effective the APA was in stopping that train--their own congressional rep igonored them! As for SWAPA...yes they've been and are a great in-house union, but they were (and are) some of the strongest "Repeal Age 60" groups out there. Strangely none of the venom reserved for ALPA--who actually shaped some of the Age 65 legislation to make it even less onerous than it could have been (no 61 year old retirees coming back to take "their" old left seat)--has been thrown at SWAPA, where it should have been from the outset. Carl, I can tell you are a good guy, and I just have to disagree with you. I acknowledge that national ALPA is a mixed bag, but I think we are better off remaining with them than leaving--just a business decision in my opinion, just as you feel the DPA is the best business decision. |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1023449)
3000 pilots just for the 76 seaters? What if you add the 70 seaters, the 65 seaters, the 50 seaters... pretty soon you're talking about some real hiring.
Hoser, sorry to hear about your buddy. I should not have written 76 seaters. I'll change it when I'm not getting a 10% battery warning. that number I put is 70-76 seaters but there isn't 255 yet but that's the limit. 255 51-70 seat jets, of which I thought the company never wanted but hey, whipsaw. But 255 and 120 76 seaters but the grand total of 51-76 seaters may not exceed 255 give or take some mainline growth clauses. Right now there are 70 CRJ700s, 101 CRJ900s, 52 EMB175s. What is that, 223? BTW, there is also 352 CRJ100/200s. The DCI fleet is 619 aircraft, the mainline fleet is 722. Total 1341 aircraft. Boomer, there is nothing wrong with applying, let them decide what qualifies. ;) |
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 1023404)
Would one of the moderators mind adding the CRJ900 payscales from our contract to the payrates in the DAL profile. I know we dont have them (maybe never will), but I think it would open some eyes. To be fair I actually think many of our older brethren think that DAL would make much more flying those 76 seaters when in fact some credit needs to be given at the contract advances the regionals have made in the last several years. The current Pinnacle contract actually tops out higher in the left seat of that 76 seat jet than a DAL CA could make with our own payscales.
Simply stating regional operators are taking our jobs because of their payscales is simply false. We ALL know our pay is fairly miniscule to the actual cost of operations. So several dollars an hour is a difference of less than a dollar a ticket. Here's to wishing you guys would stop your arguments and focus that enegry on the real tasks at hand. ;) Xtreme, The above does not even take into account the fact that the DCI CAPTs on the 900 would most likely be maxed out on the years of service scale. For example if they top out at 12 or 18 years of longevity they would most likely be flying the 900 at the top of their pay scale. At DAL, when (if) the movement starts, the 900 would be the entry level CAPT seat and (theoretically) guys could bid that with, I don't know 6-8 years longevity thus helping to keep the cost down. I do hear quite often that it is not the pilot payrates that keep the smaller jets at DCI, but all the other employee costs, like gate agents, FAs etc. I guess that could be true, but I find that hard to believe. Especially when I see contract maintenance, DAL gate agents working DCI flights, contractually provided guaranteed profits, passed along fuel expenses etc. Scoop |
Originally Posted by FedElta
(Post 1023442)
Hey Past,
If I remember correctly, you can slide in one direction, and expand in the other. My record was 5 weeks off with a 7 day vacation. I had to carefully bid adjoining months.....still the best vacation contract in the industry. DAL, not so much. :( Regards, BG Past... |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1023434)
The seat next to me? College coed. Would receive a 10 out of 10 on this website if you guys could vote.
I thought they worked to prevent this kind of nonsense? Anyways, told my wife that technically I slept closer to a college coed today then I did her given we have a very wide king size bed. She laughs. That's funny to her. Just like it's funny that 150 people will all sleep next to each other on an airplane but never anywhere else. BTW, why doesn't she care about the girl? A) She knows me. B) She knows what women want. C) She knows what I look like. You mean on a deadhead like that, you couldn't convince said Coed to let you take a picture, "for the guys on the forum". You had, what, at least an hour and a half to work it. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 1023525)
Flag - Lack of "Delta's L&G" Thread decorum.
You mean on a deadhead like that, you couldn't convince said Coed to let you take a picture, "for the guys on the forum". You had, what, at least an hour and a half to work it. The man has a point FTB!! Carl |
Yes, i could do that, but repeat offender laws then come into play.
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1023437)
LOL. FTB, when I finally get kicked off the DC-9 and back to the 88, I hope we get to fly together! You are one funny dude!!! :D
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1023501)
I think we tend to take any of ALPA's failures and magnify them across decades, while not being aware of or even ignoring any success. Think that "DPA Aeromedical" will be anything remotely as effective or useful as ALPA Aeromedical?
There is no reason that DPA or anybody else could not provide this same level of service by simply subscribing to it. |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1023536)
Whoa!!! [sound of brakes squealing] There is no ALPA Aeromedical. ALPA outsources this service to a company called AMAS (Aviation Medicine Advisor Service) in Denver, CO. Here's a link to their clients: AMAS Clients
There is no reason that DPA or anybody else could not provide this same level of service by simply subscribing to it. |
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