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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
acl, this is not directed at you, but it constantly amazes me that pilots think ALPA is some Fairy Godmother that can prevent any ill from ever afflicting every member, regardless of the external circumstances.
I have news for you. Bankruptcy SUCKS! And when you look at all the hits we've taken the past 10 years, there's your cause. Pilots at LUV, FDX, and UPS have great pay rates and benefits because they've continued to be incredibly profitable the past XX years. It has nothing to do with the strength of their pilot group or the shrewdness of their union.
And to think otherwise is naive.
Pineapple,
We all know of the external circumstances. We all know how bankruptcy sucks. We were there.
But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.
I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
DPA is out there because something just doesn't feel right and this is the heart of the matter. Why is ANY Delta pilot defending our current state so close to openers? We are paid too little, and we don't do enough of our flying. Period.
If we are where we are because of a bankruptcy that occurred, fine. Due in large part to us, the company is out of bankruptcy and it's time to secure our flying and pay. Period.
If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."
1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,
2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,
3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &
4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.
I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.
Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.
Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?