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Old 07-27-2011, 02:30 AM
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Southwest: Breakdown is now an act of God

New SWA slogan ... "On a Wing and a Prayer"
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Old 07-27-2011, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Sailing;

What are you trying to say here?

I am reading between the lines, and what I get is: Delta sucks and is stupid. Gas prices will screw us again.

SWA is predatory and we are just a bunch of honest boyscouts.

Is that about right?
What I am trying to say is that airline management has not gotten smarter. The playing field simply became more level. Had Delta been hedged we would have done the same thing. In fact we attempted to put USAIR out of business. We kept fares low in their markets and used up the huge pile of cash we were sitting on thinking we would drive them out of Business. Like SW we also failed at that strategy. To make matters worse it was basically Leo's only strategy which left us near liquidation with chapter 11 as the only option. Even then they delayed entry into Chapter 11 way to long trying to protect their precious stock options. USAIR fired back and fired back hard at Delta in intensive care and except for the arrogance and stupidity of Parker we would all be using a Cactus call sign today if the giant mess that would have created even survived to this point.
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Old 07-27-2011, 03:36 AM
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Cool! I think my seniority would be better in LAX, so the commute would be great... Can I get free parking in MLB? Oh... you were talking about the OTHER Melbourne
Tee,

MLB is $200 per year.
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Old 07-27-2011, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow View Post
Pineapple,

We all know of the external circumstances. We all know how bankruptcy sucks. We were there.
Then quit ignoring that fact, and blaming everything on ALPA.

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But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.

I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
We haven't even exchanged openers or polled the pilots.

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We are paid too little, and we don't do enough of our flying. Period.

If we are where we are because of a bankruptcy that occurred, fine. Due in large part to us, the company is out of bankruptcy and it's time to secure our flying and pay. Period.
I completely agree on both accounts.

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If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."

1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,

2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,

3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &

4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
I believe we should open at SWA + 10% (at an absolute minimum).
I also believe we should clearly state "not one more jet, not one more seat, not one more pound" as it relates to RJs, and I'm willing to try to buy back the flying we lost in bankruptcy (reset the line to 70 seats) but not willing to buy back the flying we've never owned (70 and below).

That is all personal opinion - I'm not an elected rep, and they will be determining what our priorities are after reviewing the results of 12000 pilots input via the survey. I have absolutely zero doubt that our opener will reflect the will of the 12000 pilots because I believe in our elected reps. The ones I vote for, and the ones each pilot votes for. They control the agenda, they control the timeline, and they will control the opener.


Originally Posted by newKnow View Post
DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.

I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.

Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.

Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?
I agree with everything you said. I/we are really not the enemy, and I/we want the exact same things you want.

Now its your turn. When is DPA going to stop dividing the pilot group and stand together united so that we can actually achieve these things?

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Old 07-27-2011, 04:13 AM
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Sounds like a plausible idea, but no one shows up to an LEC meeting so how would anyone recall anybody?
Maybe THAT's why they "can't" have web based meetings....
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:31 AM
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Delta Air Lines Announces June Quarter Profit
Company produces quarterly profit despite more than $1 billion higher fuel expense

Jul 27, 2011

ATLANTA, July 27, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today reported financial results for the June 2011 quarter. Key points include:

Delta's net income for the June 2011 quarter was $366 million, or $0.43 per diluted share, excluding special items(1).
Delta's net income was $198 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, for the June 2011 quarter.
Strong top line revenue growth of 12% year over year helped offset more than $1 billion higher fuel expense.
Delta generated a revenue premium, with unit revenues up 10% for the quarter.
Delta generated $1 billion of operating cash flow and $700 million in free cash flow in the quarter. The company ended the June 2011 quarter with $5.6 billion in unrestricted liquidity.

"High fuel prices are putting significant pressure on the industry, but the benefits of Delta’s strategic actions and the dedication of Delta employees are evident in the solid profit we produced despite more than $1 billion in higher fuel expense," said Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive officer. "Our revenue momentum, coupled with the capacity reductions we are making in September and actions to get our non-fuel costs to 2010 levels, will generate the margins we need to hit our return targets."

Press Release: Delta Air Lines Announces June Quarter Profit - Jul 27, 2011
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
I wasn't supposed to bring this up... but if you look real close, you can just make out the huge R in front of ALPA in that emblem.

I would tell you what the R stands for, but then they would go after my family.
I do believe you're right.

But sorry I may have just put your family in danger. Good luck.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:39 AM
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How do post a picture,..


Make sure you don't hit Copy Image but Copy Image Location. You need the address for it to work.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal View Post
Flying with a captain who had an LEC rep on the jumpseat about a month ago. Told him that basically they have been working on an upcoming merger for a while. Captains impression was this wasn't just for due diligence but rather working on the details of it.Asked if it was Alaska or Hawaiian, rep said neither but would not say who....place your bets....who and when??!! And NO, I cant say who the rep was.
While I have no info on who the potential merger partner would be I do think further consolidation is in our future in the next couple of years. My theory is we won't ever see a 2012 contract before another merger. They will delay the process long enough to find another merger partner. Management has learned that including the pilots up front with regards to the merger is a must. They would rather delay Contract 2012 and give contract improvement in the form of a JCBA a couple of years later. They will try to avoid at all cost a big Contract 2012 increase and then another increase via a JCBA. Not what I would like to see but it is the way I see it going down.
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