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I agree with you man, but please understand that ALPA is the main reason people like this exist! Imagine the minds that could be changed if there were constant fact-based letters from ALPA explaining exactly why Scope relaxation hurts EVERYONE. Why doesn't ALPA do this? They've written some beautiful fact-based documents lately hoping to "educate" us on the process, our contract history, etc. This is proof that they have it in them. They ARE capable of it. But they WILL NOT do this with regard to Scope. Why?
You cannot minimize the impact ALPA's failure to communicate on scope has on the creation and furtherance of these Captain Clueslesses. DPA is 100% clear on this issue. It is why DPA is happening in the first place. ALPA could kill DPA with a series of Scope education letters, but they won't...because they can't
Carl
You cannot minimize the impact ALPA's failure to communicate on scope has on the creation and furtherance of these Captain Clueslesses. DPA is 100% clear on this issue. It is why DPA is happening in the first place. ALPA could kill DPA with a series of Scope education letters, but they won't...because they can't
Carl

As to this Captain, the thing that bothers me is you know the FUPM phrase. Half of it is directed towards pilots and the other half to management.
He may not realize he's saying it, but it's what's on his mind and in his heart, he wants to vote for furloughs if it'll give him more money.
Friend sent this to me. Used to stay up late and watch it as a kid......
Just thought I'd remind everyone why we do what we do.....
Ferd
1960s TV Sign Off // Current
Just thought I'd remind everyone why we do what we do.....
Ferd
1960s TV Sign Off // Current
that brought back some great memories - probably partially why I fly. I also remember the National Anthem in a theater before the movie, and dad pulling the car off to the side of the road on base during taps (MCAS Beaufort - Fightertown!)
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What I am trying to say is that airline management has not gotten smarter. The playing field simply became more level. Had Delta been hedged we would have done the same thing. In fact we attempted to put USAIR out of business. We kept fares low in their markets and used up the huge pile of cash we were sitting on thinking we would drive them out of Business. Like SW we also failed at that strategy. To make matters worse it was basically Leo's only strategy which left us near liquidation with chapter 11 as the only option. Even then they delayed entry into Chapter 11 way to long trying to protect their precious stock options. USAIR fired back and fired back hard at Delta in intensive care and except for the arrogance and stupidity of Parker we would all be using a Cactus call sign today if the giant mess that would have created even survived to this point.
But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.
I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."
1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,
2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,
3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &
4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,
2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,
3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &
4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
I also believe we should clearly state "not one more jet, not one more seat, not one more pound" as it relates to RJs, and I'm willing to try to buy back the flying we lost in bankruptcy (reset the line to 70 seats) but not willing to buy back the flying we've never owned (70 and below).
That is all personal opinion - I'm not an elected rep, and they will be determining what our priorities are after reviewing the results of 12000 pilots input via the survey. I have absolutely zero doubt that our opener will reflect the will of the 12000 pilots because I believe in our elected reps. The ones I vote for, and the ones each pilot votes for. They control the agenda, they control the timeline, and they will control the opener.
DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.
I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.
Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.
Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?
I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.
Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.
Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?

Now its your turn. When is DPA going to stop dividing the pilot group and stand together united so that we can actually achieve these things?
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