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Old 07-26-2011 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
It's equally disgusting that ALPA pilotslots aren't adequately supporting their own political action committee.

Standing by for the same weak rationalization.
Uh no. Flat out no. We can shut that thing down as far as I am concerned.
Old 07-26-2011 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I agree with you man, but please understand that ALPA is the main reason people like this exist! Imagine the minds that could be changed if there were constant fact-based letters from ALPA explaining exactly why Scope relaxation hurts EVERYONE. Why doesn't ALPA do this? They've written some beautiful fact-based documents lately hoping to "educate" us on the process, our contract history, etc. This is proof that they have it in them. They ARE capable of it. But they WILL NOT do this with regard to Scope. Why?

You cannot minimize the impact ALPA's failure to communicate on scope has on the creation and furtherance of these Captain Clueslesses. DPA is 100% clear on this issue. It is why DPA is happening in the first place. ALPA could kill DPA with a series of Scope education letters, but they won't...because they can't

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It is kind of damning is it not? Never a real comment on scope. And surely not from ALPA National.



As to this Captain, the thing that bothers me is you know the FUPM phrase. Half of it is directed towards pilots and the other half to management.

He may not realize he's saying it, but it's what's on his mind and in his heart, he wants to vote for furloughs if it'll give him more money.
Old 07-26-2011 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I wasn't supposed to bring this up... but if you look real close, you can just make out the huge R in front of ALPA in that emblem.

I would tell you what the R stands for, but then they would go after my family.
Old 07-27-2011 | 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Friend sent this to me. Used to stay up late and watch it as a kid......

Just thought I'd remind everyone why we do what we do.....

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1960s TV Sign Off // Current
Thanks Ferd,

that brought back some great memories - probably partially why I fly. I also remember the National Anthem in a theater before the movie, and dad pulling the car off to the side of the road on base during taps (MCAS Beaufort - Fightertown!)
Old 07-27-2011 | 02:28 AM
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It's better than when I was growing up. You didn't want to see that sign off. It just meant the demons could reach out and grab you and suck you back into the tv. Thank you Hollywood for many a nightmare. aholes.
Crud - there was that too.
Old 07-27-2011 | 02:30 AM
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Weird ...

Southwest: Breakdown is now an act of God

New SWA slogan ... "On a Wing and a Prayer"
Old 07-27-2011 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Sailing;

What are you trying to say here?

I am reading between the lines, and what I get is: Delta sucks and is stupid. Gas prices will screw us again.

SWA is predatory and we are just a bunch of honest boyscouts.

Is that about right?
What I am trying to say is that airline management has not gotten smarter. The playing field simply became more level. Had Delta been hedged we would have done the same thing. In fact we attempted to put USAIR out of business. We kept fares low in their markets and used up the huge pile of cash we were sitting on thinking we would drive them out of Business. Like SW we also failed at that strategy. To make matters worse it was basically Leo's only strategy which left us near liquidation with chapter 11 as the only option. Even then they delayed entry into Chapter 11 way to long trying to protect their precious stock options. USAIR fired back and fired back hard at Delta in intensive care and except for the arrogance and stupidity of Parker we would all be using a Cactus call sign today if the giant mess that would have created even survived to this point.
Old 07-27-2011 | 03:36 AM
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Cool! I think my seniority would be better in LAX, so the commute would be great... Can I get free parking in MLB? Oh... you were talking about the OTHER Melbourne
Tee,

MLB is $200 per year.
Old 07-27-2011 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Pineapple,

We all know of the external circumstances. We all know how bankruptcy sucks. We were there.
Then quit ignoring that fact, and blaming everything on ALPA.

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But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.

I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
We haven't even exchanged openers or polled the pilots.

Originally Posted by newKnow
We are paid too little, and we don't do enough of our flying. Period.

If we are where we are because of a bankruptcy that occurred, fine. Due in large part to us, the company is out of bankruptcy and it's time to secure our flying and pay. Period.
I completely agree on both accounts.

Originally Posted by newKnow
If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."

1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,

2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,

3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &

4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
I believe we should open at SWA + 10% (at an absolute minimum).
I also believe we should clearly state "not one more jet, not one more seat, not one more pound" as it relates to RJs, and I'm willing to try to buy back the flying we lost in bankruptcy (reset the line to 70 seats) but not willing to buy back the flying we've never owned (70 and below).

That is all personal opinion - I'm not an elected rep, and they will be determining what our priorities are after reviewing the results of 12000 pilots input via the survey. I have absolutely zero doubt that our opener will reflect the will of the 12000 pilots because I believe in our elected reps. The ones I vote for, and the ones each pilot votes for. They control the agenda, they control the timeline, and they will control the opener.


Originally Posted by newKnow
DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.

I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.

Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.

Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?
I agree with everything you said. I/we are really not the enemy, and I/we want the exact same things you want.

Now its your turn. When is DPA going to stop dividing the pilot group and stand together united so that we can actually achieve these things?

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Old 07-27-2011 | 04:13 AM
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How do post a picture,..

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