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Columbia 07-27-2011 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1029363)
Investors are not happy, DAL's stock is going to 52 week lows very quickly.

What could this mean?
"and payments to regional partners also rose."

Went in for another 500 at $7.32.

Lone Palm 07-27-2011 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1029355)
Meh. More RJ's being parked and EAS flying going bye-bye.


And Saaaaabbbss

acl65pilot 07-27-2011 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1029381)
What could this mean?
"and payments to regional partners also rose."

Went in for another 500 at $7.32.

If my online trading would work, I would be buying a lot more than that.....

tsquare 07-27-2011 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1029378)
It was quick because I check on it quite often. I agree with the desire and need, but I want it done right.

As doe DPA, I can only say that DPA has become whatever you want it to become. That in itself is dangerous.

Of course you check it often. With over 14,000 posts to your credit, that is painfully obvious. The problem I have with such a quick response is that it highlights your intense desire to maintain the status quo regardless of whether or not there might be a better idea out there. I could be all wet in this idea, I dunno, but your lightning fast response is endemic of the same ones that I would expect from the union. Because we have always done something a particular way, that must mean that is the best way for it to be done. That is so much bullsqueeze.

You want it done right. Well duuuuuh, I do too. But what I do know is that with NYC and DTW being over 80% commuters, the base interest structure has a big weakness because the majority of those commuters are not involved so their interests are rarely heard. Franky, I think yours is a weak argument for the status quo, because of the lack of participation at the aforementioned bases. You want more people involved, all you have offered me is more study, and more roadblocks. Just like crewpass.... (couldn't resist that one)

Block representation would do away with homerism. It would be a more accurate representation of pilots from across the entire group. Perhaps a two house government would be appropriate, similar to a house/senate structure. Bases are the senate, and deal with base specific issues, and geographical LECs are the house where more voices get heard. Think outside the box for once.

What we have now is a relative vocal minority at the largest bases tend to get their issues heard directly by their representatives. Point is, I am not going to get on an airplane and fly to NY to attend an LEC meeting for the usual dry meaningless meetings that occur. I have been to some, and it is a waste of my day off. (Standing by for the usual retort to this)

freightguy 07-27-2011 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1029386)
If my online trading would work, I would be buying a lot more than that.....

I agree and I just did!

acl65pilot 07-27-2011 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1029391)
Of course you check it often. With over 14,000 posts to your credit, that is painfully obvious. The problem I have with such a quick response is that it highlights your intense desire to maintain the status quo regardless of whether or not there might be a better idea out there. I could be all wet in this idea, I dunno, but your lightning fast response is endemic of the same ones that I would expect from the union. Because we have always done something a particular way, that must mean that is the best way for it to be done. That is so much bullsqueeze.

You want it done right. Well duuuuuh, I do too. But what I do know is that with NYC and DTW being over 80% commuters, the base interest structure has a big weakness because the majority of those commuters are not involved so their interests are rarely heard. Franky, I think yours is a weak argument for the status quo, because of the lack of participation at the aforementioned bases. You want more people involved, all you have offered me is more study, and more roadblocks. Just like crewpass.... (couldn't resist that one)

Block representation would do away with homerism. It would be a more accurate representation of pilots from across the entire group. Perhaps a two house government would be appropriate, similar to a house/senate structure. Bases are the senate, and deal with base specific issues, and geographical LECs are the house where more voices get heard. Think outside the box for once.

What we have now is a relative vocal minority at the largest bases tend to get their issues heard directly by their representatives. Point is, I am not going to get on an airplane and fly to NY to attend an LEC meeting for the usual dry meaningless meetings that occur. I have been to some, and it is a waste of my day off. (Standing by for the usual retort to this)

You ideas make sense on many levels, I suggest talking to your LEC Reps, and see if they can present a Resolution at the BOD in DC next month.

hoserpilot 07-27-2011 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1029391)
Of course you check it often. With over 14,000 posts to your credit, that is painfully obvious. The problem I have with such a quick response is that it highlights your intense desire to maintain the status quo regardless of whether or not there might be a better idea out there. I could be all wet in this idea, I dunno, but your lightning fast response is endemic of the same ones that I would expect from the union. Because we have always done something a particular way, that must mean that is the best way for it to be done. That is so much bullsqueeze.

You want it done right. Well duuuuuh, I do too. But what I do know is that with NYC and DTW being over 80% commuters, the base interest structure has a big weakness because the majority of those commuters are not involved so their interests are rarely heard. Franky, I think yours is a weak argument for the status quo, because of the lack of participation at the aforementioned bases. You want more people involved, all you have offered me is more study, and more roadblocks. Just like crewpass.... (couldn't resist that one)

Block representation would do away with homerism. It would be a more accurate representation of pilots from across the entire group. Perhaps a two house government would be appropriate, similar to a house/senate structure. Bases are the senate, and deal with base specific issues, and geographical LECs are the house where more voices get heard. Think outside the box for once.

What we have now is a relative vocal minority at the largest bases tend to get their issues heard directly by their representatives. Point is, I am not going to get on an airplane and fly to NY to attend an LEC meeting for the usual dry meaningless meetings that occur. I have been to some, and it is a waste of my day off. (Standing by for the usual retort to this)


T - I think you may have overreacted to ACL. I've been to a few meetings and have seen acl there as well. He is an active member trying to get things done for our group. I've seen him submit resolutions. Some pass, some fail. He uses a lot of his free time to research a subject and then comment on it here. Just because he has a quick answer doesn't make it wrong...or right. Maybe he has done the research and actually has some knowledge about the subject. I don't have any knowledge about any of this stuff. I am learning though. If we want something changed we unfortunately have to use the framework of our bloated union.

BTW, I have sent a DPA card in. I also believe changing our union so close to openers is a bad idea. If we get to the end of the year and DPA still does not have enough cards I would love for DPA to have a huge campaign to support our current structure through the contract talks and then come out swinging afterwards. We ask Dalpa to say and do the right thing, why not ask DPA to step up as well? What I mean by this is that there may be a time to step away from a divide and try to join forces for the greater good. Make sense?

NuGuy 07-27-2011 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1029408)
BTW, I have sent a DPA card in. I also believe changing our union so close to openers is a bad idea. If we get to the end of the year and DPA still does not have enough cards I would love for DPA to have a huge campaign to support our current structure through the contract talks and then come out swinging afterwards. We ask Dalpa to say and do the right thing, why not ask DPA to step up as well? What I mean by this is that there may be a time to step away from a divide and try to join forces for the greater good. Make sense?

Heyas Hoser,

My biggest problem with the DPA is that if they have the numbers and the support they say they do, then they should be able to rickroll practically ANY of the LECs with their own people.

Nu

acl65pilot 07-27-2011 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1029408)
T - I think you may have overreacted to ACL. I've been to a few meetings and have seen acl there as well. He is an active member trying to get things done for our group. I've seen him submit resolutions. Some pass, some fail. He uses a lot of his free time to research a subject and then comment on it here. Just because he has a quick answer doesn't make it wrong...or right. Maybe he has done the research and actually has some knowledge about the subject. I don't have any knowledge about any of this stuff. I am learning though. If we want something changed we unfortunately have to use the framework of our bloated union.

BTW, I have sent a DPA card in. I also believe changing our union so close to openers is a bad idea. If we get to the end of the year and DPA still does not have enough cards I would love for DPA to have a huge campaign to support our current structure through the contract talks and then come out swinging afterwards. We ask Dalpa to say and do the right thing, why not ask DPA to step up as well? What I mean by this is that there may be a time to step away from a divide and try to join forces for the greater good. Make sense?


That makes a ton of sense. We have to be successful going though this section 6. All of our families depend on us getting a good contract.

I do thank you for the kind words, and you are correct. I am invested in this career and the success of this pilot group. I want to see hour union evolve and move forward. I want the pilots that are so fed up with the process to step up. It is not easy, but it has to be done to carry this profession forward.

I have seen you too at the LEC meetings. It is important to show up. We are seeing about 35 pilots per meeting. The 44 chair is trying to get the word out about the meetings prior to the bidding for that months schedule. It really is imperative to take three or four hours out of our day every three months to show up. When pilots show up, they can force the change they want. They cannot do it from home.

TANSTAAFL 07-27-2011 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1029332)
Honestly, if they knew about it I really don't think they'd be able to tell you anyway. Pesky non disclosure agreements. ;)

True dat, however there is a difference between saying there is nothing going on as opposed to "I can't comment" in response to a question.


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