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Old 08-23-2011 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
So the way I see it here is that the 739 is able to make the shorter hops up and down the east coast/in(and up and down the west coast) and out of hubs, while also having the capability to stretch out on a transcon more comfortably than the A320. Sound right?



I'm thinking this type of operational flexibility is something DAL is looking for.
Changed it just a little.
Old 08-23-2011 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Guntrain11
According to Boeing, the 900ER will. How about the MD88/90?
Out of curiosity, how many 1988 built 737s do we have flying for us right now? How about 1970s 732s?

The 88/90 was not built to be a transcon airplane, and so it's not. The 739 was not built to be comfortable, so its not. It was however built to be transcon, and yet we question if it really is.

By the way, still okay with 739 replacing a 757 or is this just anything but Airbus?
Old 08-23-2011 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They are not going to reopen the 757 line. The cost per seat mile is way to high on the aircraft. That is why it went out of production in the first place. Its a great performer and a great pilots aircraft. New ones would not be money makers.
And yet this management team has purchased every newer Pratt 757 on the open market in recent years. We are the worlds largest operator of the type. There must still be a market for such a high performance aircraft if we haven't ordered enough 737-900's to replace all of them.

The -900 will probably be a good money maker for us and will serve well on the shorter high density segments. I'm still curious as to what the long term solution is for the 757 replacement. DL has in the past been the launch customer for the DC-8, DC-9, and 767. Perhaps there are ongoing discussions with Boeing about future developments.

I wonder what a GTF would do for a 757?
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Out of curiosity, how many 1988 built 737s do we have flying for us right now? How about 1970s 732s?

The 88/90 was not built to be a transcon airplane, and so it's not. The 739 was not built to be comfortable, so its not. It was however built to be transcon, and yet we question if it really is.

By the way, still okay with 739 replacing a 757 or is this just anything but Airbus?
Sorry for insulting the Long Beach sewer pipe! The 739 has the exact same tube as a 757, but you call it uncomfortable. Delta is ordering new aircraft that aren't RJ's and you're whining? What would it take in Big Bird's world to be happy?
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:12 AM
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Sorry for insulting the Long Beach sewer pipe! The 739 has the exact same tube as a 757, but you call it uncomfortable. Delta is ordering new aircraft that aren't RJ's and you're whining? What would it take in Big Bird's world to be happy?
You can insult the 88 all you want, doesn't hurt my feelings. I don't get attached to work vehicles. But the 88 has outlasted the 733, and the 9 has outlasted the 732. Bar brings up great points about the 88s short comings, but it's still hear because it works. With the 739 experience is what is driving my disappointment. I guess I could just use Boeing.com numbers and feel better because those are always accurate.

Now if Delta was increasing the size of the fleet, that's one thing. We're replacing 757s with a stopgap 739s purchased for list at $8.5B. Doesn't feel like a win.

As to the 757 vs 737 tube, read last night it's the same cross section but the 757 has a lower floor or something which provides I guess more room. But news flash, the 757 sucks to ride in the back of too. It's a pilots plane, not a passenger plane and I've had friends in the back of the 753 that say what I say about the 739. But the 757's 2L door does make a difference though, both the 737 and MD88 could use a 2L door.

Still the nice riding plane I've been on thus far was the E175. I've yet to be on an Airbus though. Worse is CRJ200, I think the 757 and 737 come right after that.

Also the 739 pays less. Let's not forget that. And there are 134 757s to be replaced by 100 739s? Because the other 100 was supposed to replace the massive DC9 and 88 fleet and not just what we have today but the DC9s that were already retired.

Begs the question, are we shrinking?
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
And yet this management team has purchased every newer Pratt 757 on the open market in recent years. We are the worlds largest operator of the type. There must still be a market for such a high performance aircraft if we haven't ordered enough 737-900's to replace all of them.

The -900 will probably be a good money maker for us and will serve well on the shorter high density segments. I'm still curious as to what the long term solution is for the 757 replacement. DL has in the past been the launch customer for the DC-8, DC-9, and 767. Perhaps there are ongoing discussions with Boeing about future developments.

I wonder what a GTF would do for a 757?
If you GTF a 757 then you're not buying a new 739. Boeing won't go for it. AirTran asked for a stretched 717 and Boeing offered the 738. Ask for a new 757 and they'll point you to the 737 and 788 I'm sure.

They want us to buy new.
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I jumpseat on them all the time. They are load restricted constantly. Thank god USAIR has the jumpseat included in the OEW or I would not get on many times. They don't make it in the winter. Jetblue could not make it from JFK to the West Coast in the winter with the A320. Used to stop in SLC all the time for gas. The A321 is regarded as a huge pig at USAIR.
Your 100% correct, they refer to it as an unpowered pig. I've heard that on crew buses.

Same thing CAL says about the 739 we just made a $8.5B order for.
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:33 AM
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Btw why should we ever celebrate a loss in pay, size and performance?

Is it because we might also get a fleet of 717s which ironically, is an MD product?
Old 08-23-2011 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
You can insult the 88 all you want, doesn't hurt my feelings. I don't get attached to work vehicles. But the 88 has outlasted the 733, and the 9 has outlasted the 732. Bar brings up great points about the 88s short comings, but it's still hear because it works. With the 739 experience is what is driving my disappointment. I guess I could just use Boeing.com numbers and feel better because those are always accurate.

Now if Delta was increasing the size of the fleet, that's one thing. We're replacing 757s with a stopgap 739s purchased for list at $8.5B. Doesn't feel like a win.

As to the 757 vs 737 tube, read last night it's the same cross section but the 757 has a lower floor or something which provides I guess more room. But news flash, the 757 sucks to ride in the back of too. It's a pilots plane, not a passenger plane and I've had friends in the back of the 753 that say what I say about the 739. But the 757's 2L door does make a difference though, both the 737 and MD88 could use a 2L door.

Still the nice riding plane I've been on thus far was the E175. I've yet to be on an Airbus though. Worse is CRJ200, I think the 757 and 737 come right after that.

Also the 739 pays less. Let's not forget that. And there are 134 757s to be replaced by 100 739s? Because the other 100 was supposed to replace the massive DC9 and 88 fleet and not just what we have today but the DC9s that were already retired.

Begs the question, are we shrinking?
Absolutely, positively yes. We're not a low cost carrier. We're a legacy. Legacies are always shrinking.
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