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Roll Inverted and Pull 09-17-2011 07:27 AM

Well, he was 74 (my age) not 80. I think you are correct, he was blacked out from that pitch up. The news reports say that he steered the Mustang away from the grandstands, but I think that is wishful thinking. My buddy and his wife had some of those vip seats. Haven`t heard from him, and can`t contact his son here in ATL. Here`s hoping.....

sailingfun 09-17-2011 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Roll Inverted and Pull (Post 1055711)
Well, he was 74 (my age) not 80. I think you are correct, he was blacked out from that pitch up. The news reports say that he steered the Mustang away from the grandstands, but I think that is wishful thinking. My buddy and his wife had some of those vip seats. Haven`t heard from him, and can`t contact his son here in ATL. Here`s hoping.....

I just saw they corrected his age to 74. As the aircraft accelerated going down it would have naturally pitched back up if he was GLOC. I think that is what the people on the ground saw. The G force in the pitch up was high enough to throw the tailwheel down from its up and locked position. 9 or 10 G's in a instant and unexpected will G lock most people let alone someone who is 74.

Carl Spackler 09-17-2011 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1055716)
I just saw they corrected his age to 74. As the aircraft accelerated going down it would have naturally pitched back up if he was GLOC. I think that is what the people on the ground saw. The G force in the pitch up was high enough to throw the tailwheel down from its up and locked position. 9 or 10 G's in a instant and unexpected will G lock most people let alone someone who is 74.

I think your assessment is probably correct. What I don't understand is why the loss of just the trim tab would cause full deflection UP on the elevator which is what would have been required to produce 9 to 10 G's? Also, he didn't GLOC instantly because he radioed a mayday after he went vertical. Since GLOC produces nearly instantaneous unconsciousness, it seems to point to something else.

Carl

Carl Spackler 09-17-2011 08:52 AM

Also, why was there no post-crash explosion and fire? Even with a small amount gasoline on board, there should have been.

Carl

NuGuy 09-17-2011 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1055607)
Won't be having too much luck seeing me around other than lurking for the next 4 weeks except for friday and saturday nights. There's a french lady that is demanding my attention.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../3/1973322.jpg


The irony....those are both fNWA birds....

Nu

johnso29 09-17-2011 09:45 AM

Why yes they are Nu.

Hey, did UsAir or AWA get some Airbus options from NWA in the past? In BOS a while back I saw a cactus 320 with a NXXXUS tail number........

NuGuy 09-17-2011 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1055750)
Why yes they are Nu.

Hey, did UsAir or AWA get some Airbus options from NWA in the past? In BOS a while back I saw a cactus 320 with a NXXXUS tail number........

Heyas Johnso,

Someone once explained to me, but my TRS-80 cassette tape based brain has since run out of room...

I do remember the USAir birds with the "AU" tail numbers were part of a "good as gold" campaign.

Nu

Wingnutdal 09-17-2011 11:16 AM

Hey guys, just changed my password on Deltanet to access my work e-mail, now can't call scheduling. I remember a conversation about this recently, but can't remember the details on how to get around a letter being in the password. Any thoughts?
I have a blackberry, but am pretty technologically incompetent

johnso29 09-17-2011 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1055782)
Hey guys, just changed my password on Deltanet to access my work e-mail, now can't call scheduling. I remember a conversation about this recently, but can't remember the details on how to get around a letter being in the password. Any thoughts?
I have a blackberry, but am pretty technologically incompetent

You should be able to designate a 4 number password for your VRU sign on. Otherwise, you have to know what *# combo equals the letter in your password. The whole reason they let us change our VRU password to a 4 digit code was to avoid having to know those combos. My 4 digit password for the VRU is different then my deltanet/icrew password.

forgot to bid 09-17-2011 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1055700)
There are several good stills shots and movies that show what perhaps happened. It appears the trim tab came off the elevator. You can see it separate in one video and the aircraft pitches up instantly. This is a common problem in the P51 at high speeds and has happened before. It happened at Reno a few years back and the aircraft did a 9 g pitch up. The pilot in that case was able to recover the aircraft after it slowed and land.
In this case it appears the pitch up may have GLOC the 80 year old pilot. You can see in a close up still that he is slumped over out of sight in the cockpit just before impact.
The entire accident is very sad and perhaps had a better trim tab been mandated for 51's in air races it could have been avoided since its a known problem.

Good info Sailing. I saw the one video that showed the pitch up and roll an I saw the video where the long range camera looked down into the crowd after the accident and that was awful.


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