Bar, it's funny, a financial advisor told our friends if they took out money just to finish off their car payment they'd lose a fortune over the next 30 years. So they didn't and ended up losing about the same amount of money these past few months. A 4% loan to themselves may have indeed been better, no? :confused:

That whole compounding argument assumes sustained growth. That paradigm may be on the way out the door. In the world of flat or sustained negative returns getting and living debt free makes a lot of sense.

Has anyone ever met a financial advisory that told you to get out of the market or not buy and hold?

So, here's what I don't understand. You guys are saying that ALPA as an organization is irreparable. Meaning, it's not a people problem. Are you sure? Let's say Carl was MEC Chairman. You don't think things would be different?

Why not?

That is exactly what I see them saying, and I totally disagree.

WHAT THE HELLL! I thought Mrs. was at a business meeting:mad::eek:

TEN

BS. They will not get 50% of the pilots much a less a vote before we are in the middle of exchanging proposals. ALPA will not get voted off unless it is a knee jerk reaction to a horrible contract. The irony is that the lack of unity that DPA is fanning the flames of will be equally if not more responsible for it.

I know that if I were in management, I would be licking my chops at all of the ways this group could be divided in to little fiefdoms and picked off.

DPA says it wants what is best for DAL pilots. I bet you that well over 85% of this group will tell you that what is best for them is a great contract. Pushing this drive though section six will result in less for everyone, and that is not what is best for this group.

Oh, that's it. Gawd. No actually I would support them if I knew they would fix everything, but the reality is that even among this group of pilots there are widely differing opinions on what needs to happen. That is no where near sorted out and if they got it, it would be like a rebel force getting in to power and then now knowing what to do with it.


What Drew's article articulates is what is the issue that no one can seem to put there finger on. Well he just shot a really large flashlight at it. If you want to change that, and get what you want Carl, figure out what Reps agree with your position, and which ones don't, and then see if you have the support to pick a few off. The change of two or three reps, tops, changes this whole MEC completely.

Thus far it has not happened. Even guys I know within DPA admit they do not have enough support to recall anyone. That is why the system is set up this way. It allows an accumulator to the whole process.

As for electing a Master Chair and the ALPA Prez, I am all for that, but recall authority lies within the MEC and the BOD respectively. How about you right a resolution for you LEC 20 meeting, and then see if it can pass at the Nov MEC meeting. Make sure that your LEC 20 guys on the drafting committee that deal with this resolution, record the vote as part of the resolution.

To date no one has even tied this, including me. I am willing to keep putting resolutions up, but one man shows are stopped quickly, and with good reason. Get your guys organized and if you can't ask why? It is not because ALPA suck. It is because everyone is to darn lazy to give a little of their time and force a few issues.

We wonder why we are where we are.

That's not their appeal at all. The current admin is not cleanable or fixable. The appeal of the DPA is:

1. A union of only Delta pilots working to improve the jobs of Delta pilots.
2. Keeping every penny of our dues money as opposed to getting less than 30% back.
3. Negotiating our Scope language without having to meet with our regional competitors and the ALPA president first.
4. Not being associated with a national union that has attempted union busting.
5. Not being associated with a national union that stabbed fellow pilots (TWA) in the back.
6. Not being affiliated with an organization like AFL-CIO and their love of far left wing politics.

Just a few of the reasons.

Carl

meh.. not really.

Love it! :D

Carl