Good question. I believe it is a people issue not a structure issue.

T, if you're really interested, spend some more time on their web site. Without giving away all the details of exactly how the method is done (then they wouldn't have anything to sell, right?), they have a lot of detailed info about both the method and it's performance. One thing that they don't emphasize a lot but it's in the fine print: They have a money back guarantee on the course fee. It's a pretty liberal guarantee in that you could take the entire course (which would obviously give you a complete understanding of exactly how the method works) and then if you don't like it or change your mind for whatever reason they will give you 100% of your money back no hassle. I think I saw somewhere that about 1% of their students take them up on that guarantee. Anyway, it's one of those things where you really don't have anything to lose other than the time you would spend going through the course. Once you complete the course, it's totally up to you whether you implement it in your account(s) or not.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to sell you or anyone on this. Just take more than a cursory look at their web site if you're really interested. There's a lot of stuff on there. Hope that helps.

We can't negotiate Section 1 without going through a complex process of discussions with our regional competitors and the ALPA president. I know you know that. I just don't know why you keep ignoring that just because it suits you.

BS. You don't know that at all. Totally made up dude.

Wow! Unbelievable! Do you mean like the way ALPA legal worked for their members at TWA?

Carl

Again, this has nothing to do with the actual facts written by Massey. Those facts clearly show to me that we have an MEC professional bureaucracy interested in consolidating their power and further marginalizing locals reps and line pilots.

Carl

No, you're just showing that you've been brainwashed.

Carl

Good sound bite, but the Ford-Cooksey settlement is meet and confer, nothing more. We can and will do what we want. You also know that.


Dude, it is simple math. You are a business man, and I am sure that you pay retainers et al, of services you may need. It is a lot cheaper to bundle those service or bring them in house where possible.


Lets look at the decision the TWA MEC made, and how the legal advice was crafted to meet that choice.

You had an airline on the verge of CH7 that was bought by AMR. Fact, and that reality came in to play. There are limits to everything. Is ALPA without fault? Not on your life. I too have issues with a lot of things, but the reality is that all of them can be fixed if people are willing. To date they are not. DPA will have issues, and one or two contracts down the road, people are going to want to give them the boot for the same reasons people are listing against ALPA today. DPA's response will be to get involved.

The root of all that is unjust and evil is apathy of the group.

Indeed. I particularly love the way the MEC has listened to the flight pay loss resolution approved by DTW. :rolleyes:

Carl

Typical response. Far from brainwashed. I just know it is not a structure issue within the CB&L.

If anything within the CB&L needs to be changed, it would be voting for our leaders, with recall of National Officers left to the BOD and the MEC Admin left to the MEC.

I also would like all issues of structure and policy left up to the BOD not the Executive Board. We could leave it there, but only if these voting officers were elected by popular vote.

I am willing to back up your resolution for that. You willing to submit it?

You're just mad because we DPA guys aren't walking into your obvious time wasting trap.

Time wasting trap. LEC resolutions are ignored by the permanent MEC bureaucracy. Recalling reps is meaningless.

Yes. Ignoring the will of the pilots and their reps is hard work.

Carl

I disagree. It shows that none elected persons like the EA's yield too much power.

I also believe that this MEC is keeping the Admin honest. I the issue was forced upon the reps, they could change some people within the Admin. Realize that they are all focusing on Section 6.