Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-26-2011 | 11:35 AM
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From: B-7ER JFK
First, very bad sign that the union has to extend the deadline...seriously? Second, we are a cash business...let's break our pay paradigm and get a per cent of the gross. Let's be a true cost of doing business like all the other vendors (boeing, airbus, ge, catering, etc.).
Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:
1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.
2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.
3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!
4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.
5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.
6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.
7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.
8. 401k filled to 415c limits by the company. In addition, for every dollar that goes in the north retirement fund for the select few, a dollar goes into a fund for the north/south guys that are not a part of this benefit.
9. Sick leave/ disability back to C2K.
10. Medical/Dental premiums/co-pays greatly reduced.
11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.
12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.
13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.
I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.
These are my thoughts...not a personal attack on anyone/anything.
Good luck to us all.
Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:
1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.
2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.
3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!
4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.
5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.
6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.
7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.
8. 401k filled to 415c limits by the company. In addition, for every dollar that goes in the north retirement fund for the select few, a dollar goes into a fund for the north/south guys that are not a part of this benefit.
9. Sick leave/ disability back to C2K.
10. Medical/Dental premiums/co-pays greatly reduced.
11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.
12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.
13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.
I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.
These are my thoughts...not a personal attack on anyone/anything.
Good luck to us all.
I belive one of the few main reasons for guys NOT to do the survey is their complete distrust in the union, they are too busy with their second job that they need to support their family, and some of us are busy looking for other work that pays the bills..
For clarity sake, I did the survey.
10-26-2011 | 11:46 AM
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From: LAX ERA
We are kind of on the same page, except as a sometimes bubble guy, I like the possibility of holding a regular line. I don't want to be pigeonholed into reserve when I could be flying LAX all nighters on MY schedule. As a fellow commuter, I think I could convince you of the logic with the separate system after a beer or so. If you are a bottom line holder, you are always a bottom line holder.....they can only displace you to reserve based on what you have bid. I ALWAYS had line holder (even if in another base or jet) to reserve.
But, its a moot point. Without the other two pieces to the puzzle, temping and monthly AEs......what we are doing now is the only way if you also want to give the non commuters any kind of flexibility.
Ferd
10-26-2011 | 11:52 AM
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Actually, based on what you just said, I think you are more on board with the other way. I was going to ask the same question as ice, but I was on my phone etc etc.
As a fellow commuter, I think you would see the logic in the separate system after a beer or so. If you are a bottom line holder, you are always a bottom line holder.....they can only displace you to reserve based on what you have bid. I ALWAYS had line holder (even if in another base or jet) to reserve.
But, its a moot point. Without the other two pieces to the puzzle, temping and monthly AEs......what we are doing now is the only way if you also want to give the non commuters any kind of flexibility.
Ferd
As a fellow commuter, I think you would see the logic in the separate system after a beer or so. If you are a bottom line holder, you are always a bottom line holder.....they can only displace you to reserve based on what you have bid. I ALWAYS had line holder (even if in another base or jet) to reserve.
But, its a moot point. Without the other two pieces to the puzzle, temping and monthly AEs......what we are doing now is the only way if you also want to give the non commuters any kind of flexibility.
Ferd
10-26-2011 | 11:55 AM
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Ok, maybe, but I'm not convinced you are seeing my suggestion.
Beers, I need beers, a pen and a napkin.
Ferd
Beers, I need beers, a pen and a napkin.
Ferd
10-26-2011 | 12:04 PM
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10-26-2011 | 12:18 PM
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Uh, no. I am not interested in being stuck in reserve. I can't be a regular lineholder at this point with any consistency, but occasionally I can hold it.. and that is good. If I had to bid all reserve all the time or bid out, I wouldn't like that choice. I don't know what temping was, and as far as the monthly AE thing, I have no real opinion.
Maybe I can help. As one who was "stuck" on reserve. You would put a card in (electronically) for position as a temporary block holder. If the company needed more, presto, you became a blockholder for the month. It would happen prior to monthly bidding and you participated just like permanent blockholders. I was able to hold a temp block for up to 6 months out of the year this way.
Jim
10-26-2011 | 12:39 PM
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10-26-2011 | 12:54 PM
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Gold HRA + family.
My wife hit the $1000 deductible when we had the baby and I forget how much else that cost on top. My daughter has now hit her $1000 deductible and my son who was born this year is at $900 on his way to $1000. My $750 FRA is $0 now.
I'm $0 btw.
And yes my daughter is fine. She's plays hard, unfortunately she was moments from being picked up and put into bed and we wouldn't be concerned about a scar or a $995 bill.
Sorry $915. I think the bill is still a work in process.
My wife hit the $1000 deductible when we had the baby and I forget how much else that cost on top. My daughter has now hit her $1000 deductible and my son who was born this year is at $900 on his way to $1000. My $750 FRA is $0 now.
I'm $0 btw.
And yes my daughter is fine. She's plays hard, unfortunately she was moments from being picked up and put into bed and we wouldn't be concerned about a scar or a $995 bill.
Sorry $915. I think the bill is still a work in process.
Dang, I didn't even ask if she was ok. What an arse I am. Sorry.
My daughter also has no fear. Glad to hear your's is ok.
Thanks for sharing the plan.
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10-26-2011 | 12:54 PM
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My next suggestion is to assign SC 2 days prior, not prior to 1500 the day prior. This too, would help mitigate issues with commuting.
Finally, I favor two separate systems. RES/Line Holder. This is simply for the fact that there is absolutely no chance for any quality of life for the bottom feeders at the company. Right now, at least if a senior guy bids down to reserve, the junior guys are somewhat protected from outright abuse by the RAW system. I think the only way to make that better would be to eliminate the number of days available in the criteria. That way, the lowest RAW score, regardless of number of days available, gets the assignment.
Finally, I favor two separate systems. RES/Line Holder. This is simply for the fact that there is absolutely no chance for any quality of life for the bottom feeders at the company. Right now, at least if a senior guy bids down to reserve, the junior guys are somewhat protected from outright abuse by the RAW system. I think the only way to make that better would be to eliminate the number of days available in the criteria. That way, the lowest RAW score, regardless of number of days available, gets the assignment.
Now I'm live where I'm base, and in base reserve is pretty sweeet. LC without a trip is basically a day off, and SC means no beer and have to stay around town. I can still go work out, take kid to the park, go the mall, etc.
In the end, someone has to sit reserve, as a junior guy that falls to me. Fine - it's the airline business. In my experience, a lot of the complaints about reserve come from those who commute a long way. The closer you are to the base, the easier it is.
About the separate lineholder/reserve system - no way, hate the idea. It's nice having the option to bid down to reserve when you really need something off, or for a senior reserve guy to get a line once in while.
10-26-2011 | 01:01 PM
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Uh, no. I am not interested in being stuck in reserve. I can't be a regular lineholder at this point with any consistency, but occasionally I can hold it.. and that is good. If I had to bid all reserve all the time or bid out, I wouldn't like that choice. I don't know what temping was, and as far as the monthly AE thing, I have no real opinion.
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