That populates the info. Thanks Carl.

 

Wow...thanks Carl, the link showed September 2011 data. DALPA wanted to reveal this data in November:

"We plan to present this three-way contract comparison to the Delta MEC in closed session at its November meeting."

Honestly, in the information age, what's the big secret? They stated:

"It was the original intent of this committee, as well as that of the entire Delta MEC, to provide this JV contract comparison information directly to you, the Delta pilots.* Unfortunately, although our European colleagues at Air France and KLM were completely open to explaining the provisions of their respective CLAs and answering our questions, they did so under the condition that the information would be held completely confidential."

They could at least give pay data based on public sources.

 

For some reason the first link you had for that had no values on the charts.

This one does have the numbers on it.

Good research; I bet they also do not have 50% of the flight segments outsourced.

 

I hate it when the Dutch and the French take their right to privacy and get in the way of my year and a half away from now wish list....


Oh yeah, and the guys that I got to know and elected to directly represent me......I'll bet they will be sure to p!ss away that leverage and screw themselves and the other guys in my LEC with an inferior contract that they will have to live under.

Yeah, that for sure.

 

I'm hearing rumors of an ASA flow through agreement with Delta. Anyone else hearing this? Don't know any details, just that it's in the works.

 

Unless it involves flying being brought back to mainline, I don't want it.

 

I have to disagree here... Why not ask for everything at this point? And beyond that, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I honestly think pilots should have better pass privileges than other employees. Maybe I'm wrong, it's been known to happen, but that's my take on it.

 

I'm going be Devil's advocate for a bit....

While I agree with the last few pages of posts, I still think that maybe Dalpa is doing what we asked them to do. As far as council 44 goes, our communication has increased dramatically. Like it or not, they are communicating. We asked for it.

In regards to the lack of info right now....we asked for it. We wanted our union to listen to us. The responded by giving us a contract survey. We can fight about how poor the survey is but at least we have one. The union has kept fairly quiet while we do our survey. Again, we asked them to listen to us. Lets fill out our survey's and provide the input to our union. They are doing exactly what we asked of them.

Don't over think this. If you just look at what we asked them to do on these two issues they are complying with our requests.

Now on to the MCO comment.....

With all the crap that T.O. has gotten from us maybe he thought he was amongst a sympathetic crowd of fellow pilots. We've all been beaten down for 10 years...(except us newbies). He is in a position where 12000+ pilots are venting and he has to listen. Its hard enough to listen to my darn wife let alone 12000 venting pilots!!!!!

Don't call me an apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to see this junk from every angle. I'd still like to figure out how to sneak into the 4th floor of the training building. I know those new-hires girls need extra special training!!!

 

I hate to say it but I think you are right. Most Captains I have flown with in the last month or two have been very relaxed with the notion of a small raise and some work rule changes.

I hope the survey tells a different story..

This is the reason we should never vote to lower our benefits and pay. Let them forcefully take it from us because once we voluntarily give them away, it will be very hard to get them back.

TEN

 

I hope the survey conveys what I've heard from my captains. I think I fly with a bunch of dead zone angry folks that want nothing less than full restoration. These guys give me hope.

I agree with your last comment. Never vote to give away stuff, make them work for it!! Heck, they have taken enough. Now it's time to restore this profession to its rightful place.

After careful review, I finally submitted my survey. Unfortunately I just read some stuff regarding our upcoming open enrollment changes to our healthcare. I may have to redo my whole survey just to vent about the increasing health care costs!!! Check it out on the benefits site and the dalpa forums.