Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-19-2011, 04:58 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I saw that yesterday. Looks like its getting fumigated but who knows!
10-19-2011, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Why does that surprise you? We have a MEC Chairman who opens each road show with, "I really don't want to be here..."
Can we not find someone who DOES want the job??
MC
What's the story here?
Why does that surprise you? We have a MEC Chairman who opens each road show with, "I really don't want to be here..."
Can we not find someone who DOES want the job??
MC
Originally Posted by Model Citezen
Timbo,
Can you please tell me what you are referencing? I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you give me the rest of the story?
Thanks
MC
Can you please tell me what you are referencing? I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you give me the rest of the story?
Thanks
MC
What's the story here?
10-19-2011, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by exeagle
Originally Posted by Timbo
Why does that surprise you? We have a MEC Chairman who opens each road show with, "I really don't want to be here..."
Can we not find someone who DOES want the job??
MC
What's the story here?
Why does that surprise you? We have a MEC Chairman who opens each road show with, "I really don't want to be here..."
Can we not find someone who DOES want the job??
MC
What's the story here?
10-19-2011, 05:26 PM
Line Holder
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Taking the input and keeping you mouth shut is smart, but stating that you really did not want the job..... That one really get to me. I want someone committed to the process who wants to be there, who wants to get the pilots everything they want and more.
I know one guy last election that wanted to be that guy. He probably would still be willing to step in, because he wants to lead this group to a awesome contract, and then go fly the line and reap the rewards of a great Section 6.
I know one guy last election that wanted to be that guy. He probably would still be willing to step in, because he wants to lead this group to a awesome contract, and then go fly the line and reap the rewards of a great Section 6.
10-19-2011, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Go read the MCO Roadshow report on the DALPA forum in Hanger Talk.
So we have a MEC chairman who just stated he would rather be flying the line right now?? ****
10-19-2011, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I agree, and am disappointed that our JV partners will not allow it.
I say for argument's sake, up your percentage by at least 20%.
I say for argument's sake, up your percentage by at least 20%.
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math:
9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars
Top tier French taxation is over 50%
$13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively)
$26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually.
And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree.
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
DALPA is doing EVERYTHING in its power to keep truthful comparisons from us. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
Carl
10-19-2011, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Are they seriously telling us that the AF KLM pilots would not allow a couple of general statements about their pay in relation to ours? Ie, they are paid an average of X % more per hour while working Y days average per month? They accrue Z % more vacation, etc?
Too unbelievable for me to believe. DPA is getting another card.
Too unbelievable for me to believe. DPA is getting another card.
Carl
10-19-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I vote for Carl, or YOU........you can do it Timbo.....please?
Any other method leads to failure. Anything even remotely smacking of self-interested resume building leads to failure. They would call my first day at DALPA "Black Monday".
Carl
10-19-2011, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wasn't too hard to find this info for Air France pilots as of August 2011:
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math:
9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars
Top tier French taxation is over 50%
$13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively)
$26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually.
And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree.
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
DALPA is doing EVERYTHING in its power to keep truthful comparisons from us. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
Carl
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math:
9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars
Top tier French taxation is over 50%
$13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively)
$26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually.
And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree.
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
DALPA is doing EVERYTHING in its power to keep truthful comparisons from us. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
Carl
10-19-2011, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wasn't too hard to find this info for Air France pilots as of August 2011:
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math:
9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars
Top tier French taxation is over 50%
$13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively)
$26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually.
And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree.
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Carl
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math:
9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars
Top tier French taxation is over 50%
$13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively)
$26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually.
And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree.
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Carl
JFK said it best. Substitute pilots, MEC, union, elected officers, contract comparison at will
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."
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