BigGuns has it right. Spirit was a freebie. No disruption to the national travel infrastructure. A Delta shutdown would be a whole different ball game.

Plus ALPA did a good job at the things I mentioned before. They came prepared with all the E&FA numbers and convinced the NMB that the pilots were being reasonable and it was management that needed a little extra motivation to cut a deal.

Yep....more transparency....not.

I agree, and am disappointed that our JV partners will not allow it.

I say for argument's sake, up your percentage by at least 20%.

On top of SWA +?

How about that bridge over VA Avenue connecting the training centers and 4th floor. It's wide.

We can set up tents there.

Mine will be awesomeness:



Clamps tent:



You'll know the 330 and ER boys by their mosquito tents... and beds.

And I will probably have the kids with me. It will be loud from 1-2, 3-5. In the AM.

So basically we'll never know.

On top of what you already put. Point was that, if you compare the cost per employee to the airline of choice, they make significantly more than we do. It is also why we fly more block hours but have EASK's. They get the big jets that fly less block, which can spread their costs out over more seats.

My friends that are in Europe make about 13K-16K USD a month before taxes (AF/KLM/BA etc), and they pay no health care, no retirement funding, have way better trip rigs, more vacation, etc. (Tax rate varies but is between 40-55%)

Ryan Air pilots make about 250K USD a year to compare it.

Funny, I just did that, well close to it.

It's almost mandatory. If you truthfully say that your opener does not contain any "throw-away" items, nobody will believe you, so you might as well include some.
There's also a psychological value in letting the other side win a few points if it helps you win the match. They have to "save face" too, and a cave-in won't do it for them, or for a mediator. Ideally, each "trade" you make should be accompanied by loud groans and quiet grins.