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10-20-2011 | 04:22 PM
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That's the part you're missing. Many of these folks DO NOT have to live under the contract. They collect maximum pay plus stipends plus seeing their families every night and sleeping in their own beds.
Not actually having to work under our conditions is part of the problem.
Carl
Not actually having to work under our conditions is part of the problem.
Carl
I have always thought there should be 2yr. term limits for every ALPA position, for that very reason.
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10-20-2011 | 04:30 PM
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Me too. Except I mean Caplinger.
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10-20-2011 | 04:31 PM
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That's the part you're missing. Many of these folks DO NOT have to live under the contract. They collect maximum pay plus stipends plus seeing their families every night and sleeping in their own beds.
Not actually having to work under our conditions is part of the problem.
Carl
Not actually having to work under our conditions is part of the problem.
Carl
10-20-2011 | 04:31 PM
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10-20-2011 | 04:34 PM
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Or why not be honest with the people you're representing?
To me, he seems to be acting in an honest and forthright manner, and is doing exactly what we've been asking for. We want someone who will listen to us, and base the MEC's direction on that input. We're six months away from exchanging openers, and guys are ready to crucify him already.
To me, he seems to be acting in an honest and forthright manner, and is doing exactly what we've been asking for. We want someone who will listen to us, and base the MEC's direction on that input. We're six months away from exchanging openers, and guys are ready to crucify him already.
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10-20-2011 | 04:36 PM
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10-20-2011 | 04:41 PM
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Yes he is. He's blocking and ignoring the lawful flight pay loss resolution passed by my LEC.
Translation: Shut up and do what you're told. Exactly what a bottom-up organization should be...right Herkflyr?
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10-20-2011 | 04:51 PM
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I DO have a problem with the card drive, especially as we enter section 6.
Every little thing that management gives in negotiations "raises the floor." If management is not sure who has authority to negotiate with them as our bargaining agent, management will sit tight until the uncertainty is resolved. There is no point in negotiating with the wrong party.
The way I see it, every card undermines the guy at the table bargaining on our behalf.
If the DPA wins the election, then I'll support the DPA (which will be supporting our pilots). However, at this point a representational battle just stalls, and harms, contract 2012.
Your post is right on the money ... participate in your LEC election. Elect guys who you support (and who support you).
JUST MY OPINION
Every little thing that management gives in negotiations "raises the floor." If management is not sure who has authority to negotiate with them as our bargaining agent, management will sit tight until the uncertainty is resolved. There is no point in negotiating with the wrong party.
The way I see it, every card undermines the guy at the table bargaining on our behalf.
If the DPA wins the election, then I'll support the DPA (which will be supporting our pilots). However, at this point a representational battle just stalls, and harms, contract 2012.
Your post is right on the money ... participate in your LEC election. Elect guys who you support (and who support you).
JUST MY OPINION
The evidence is all around us that we are being "mushroomed". We are now being explicitly told that we will "of course" not see the survey results or the opener...even though we ALWAYS saw the opener on the North side. The excuse is some idiotic analogy to playing poker.
Glad you're happy with this, but I'm not. If we don't change this course, we lose.
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10-20-2011 | 04:57 PM
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Well, if you can do the math to come up with a CASM (cost per available seat mile) comparison, and IF we come out much 'cheaper' than they, and IF you can attribute all of the difference in CASM to Pilot Pay, then you might have an argument for an increase to match them, worth exploiting.
The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.
So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.
But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?
The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.
So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.
But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?
Carl
10-20-2011 | 05:03 PM
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