I couldn't agree more. My younger brother has an interview with Alaska next week. I am supporting him 100% and told him that is the place to be right now. That said, I can see a situation where if hired he quickly moves to 20% up the Alaska list (they are said to be hiring 300 people.....lots of planes coming online...and have a seniority list of less than 1500). I am 10% at Delta.

I will be happy for my brother but I am getting tired of the backward slide. I feel for the guys in L.A. Somethings gotta give. I say no more Delta mergers until pay and work rules are restored to what they were pre BK and Delta has hired some more pilots.

If that's really the place to be and he'll be 20% in no time, then wouldnt it make sense to join him?

10-21-2011 | 03:39 AM

#78482

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

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From: Light Chop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Randy Babbit remained ALPA Pres. long after EAL was gone.

And look where that got him.

That's interesting.

As to going off line. Imho if one goes off line and takes a position with management or the union there should be a time limit of ## years or they lose their seniority number. The threat of having to rejoin the masses should always be there.

10-21-2011 | 04:51 AM

#78483

alfaromeo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Here is an exercise for you. Look at who was on each MEC when both airlines came out of bankruptcy. That was four years ago. Look at who is on the combined MEC now. Tell me all the names that are the same.

10-21-2011 | 05:01 AM

#78484

scambo1

The Brown Dot +1

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From: 777B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Columbia

If that's really the place to be and he'll be 20% in no time, then wouldnt it make sense to join him?

Rationally, and in short, probably yes.

However, it seems Hawaiian might be the real ace at which to get hired.

10-21-2011 | 05:54 AM

#78485

DAL 88 Driver

At home on the maddog!

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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

Yeah, and we all know how well that concept works in the US Congress.

You are gonna have to do a lot better than this to convince me to sign a card Carl. That and Caplinger needs to come out with a statement that there will be no challenge to the seniority list... ever. Sorry, but I do not trust him in this regard especially since he hired the clown from USAPA. So it's very simple... have make a public statement to that effect, and I sign a card.

You mean a statement like this?
_________________________________

From the DPA FAQ's, available to the public on their web site:

There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Is this true?

Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.

10-21-2011 | 05:57 AM

#78486

tsquare

No longer cares

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From: 767er Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Did he personally sign that pledge? That is an FAQ... I want his name on that statement so I would have someone to sue in the event it is challenged.

10-21-2011 | 06:24 AM

#78487

DAL 88 Driver

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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

Did he personally sign that pledge? That is an FAQ... I want his name on that statement so I would have someone to sue in the event it is challenged.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said "public statement." I didn't know you wanted a personally signed pledge. Why don't you email Tim? I don't know, but he might be willing to provide you with that. I'm pretty sure he's the one who wrote the answer to that FAQ.

10-21-2011 | 06:33 AM

#78488

buzzpat

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From: Urban chicken rancher.

Hey Guys

Quick question. I'm trying to put in a swap for November and was denied for "Capped Reserve Days.'' There are way more reserves available than required but the trip I want spills into Dec on day. Is that why? No reserves available yet for Dec 1?

Thanks in advance.

10-21-2011 | 06:45 AM

#78489

Denny Crane

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From: Kickin’ Back

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor

My point is that there is no way I will vote for another merger inANY way... Until we have our concessionary contract removed and a new one in 2012... Or whenever in place. THEN maybe we can talk consolidation. And where the red Swingline stapler is.

The problem is that we, the pilots or any other employee group, do NOT get a say or a vote on whether a merger happens or not. Yes, pressure can be brought but if management is going to do it we do not have a choice other than negotiating a JCBA. In the event of a merger some might say don't agree to a new JCBA. I, for one, do not want to turn this airline into another US Air debacle.

Denny

10-21-2011 | 06:49 AM

#78490

Denny Crane

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From: Kickin’ Back

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

Short answer: yes.

Essentially you cannot swap a carryover trip until after the initial bids come out for December because of the reason you noted. At least that's my understanding.

Denny