Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-21-2011, 05:13 PM
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10-21-2011, 05:19 PM
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On the day of official openers, we need to dig deep and see if "meet and confers" have happened and if not, press the issue. If they have, we need to look into what was said. Status quo is not going to work. Large RJ's need to be significantly reduced (only the ones the company wants to outsource that it), small RJ's eed to be capped at least to their planned dwindling numbers and the AK code share abuse needs to be reigned in (not sure if they require a meet and confer but if so it needs to happen). JV stuff needs tightening as well, but there won't be any meet and confers required with those so we will have to dig even deeper.
Standing by for the analogies of:
1. We can't do that, it would be like showing our hand in poker.
2. We can't do that, because we don't want management to know what was said (or our members).
3. We can't do that because.....
Carl
10-21-2011, 05:25 PM
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Nice deflection. You want the MEC to rotate back to the line. Of the 35 or so guys (between the two airlines) that were on the MEC 4 years ago, there might be 3 or 4 still on the MEC. That's a 90% turnover rate. In fact there are many MEC members that were elected after bankruptcy and have already left, so the turnover is even higher.
So you are the one who should chill out. Or at least try to base your statements on even the tiniest amount on facts. By the way, flying the line is vastly superior to doing union work. It's much easier to throw tomatoes than it is to be in the ring.
So you are the one who should chill out. Or at least try to base your statements on even the tiniest amount on facts. By the way, flying the line is vastly superior to doing union work. It's much easier to throw tomatoes than it is to be in the ring.
And accusing me of deflection? I'd accuse you of not reading well, you got the part I do want MEC members to rotate back to the line but you forgot the part I highlighted in red:
I mean do you like the notion someone could camp out off line and wait until their seniority is much better before they return? Or they couldn't hack it on the line or wanted off the line as soon as they could because frankly flying ain't there thing? Or they just simply have no intention of returning, albeit for family or personal reasons or maybe the money is better? But why allow any pilots in management, the union or training to operate under the banner they are a pilot if they are long since removed and out of touch with the average line pilot's life?
I mean turnover rates can be whatever they are in all three of those areas, doesn't matter to me, I just want it in writing in case someone is contemplating a life outside the line but wants to retain the seniority number "just in case" or for some other bogus reason then they should be forced to be what they really want to be- a former Delta pilot.
So stop deflecting
and answer, why are you against a simple limit? And btw if flying the line is so much greater than union work, where is Lee Moak right now? He's not flying jets for DAL anymore is he? I mean pardon the masses for wondering sometimes if the goal of going to DALPA is to get a job in Herndon. But no worries, I think I made it clear from my post I want this uniformly applied to all pilots not just the union.
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10-21-2011, 05:26 PM
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10-21-2011, 05:32 PM
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Wow Alfa, you’re very touchy about this. So I assume you don’t want a limit to how long any pilot can be off line before they lose their seniority number but I am curious as to why?
And accusing me of deflection? I'd accuse you of not reading well, you got the part I do want MEC members to rotate back to the line but you forgot the part I highlighted in red:
So, again, why do you Alfa not think there should be a limit for any pilot to be away from the line before they are no longer pilots? Or I guess for you, why this limit shouldn't apply to union folks?
I mean do you like the notion someone could camp out off line and wait until their seniority is much better before they return or have no intention of returning but have a direct effect on the lives of those out there flying whether it be in management, the union or training?
I mean turnover rates can be whatever they are in all three of those areas, doesn't matter to me, I just want it in writing in case someone is contemplating a life outside the line but wants to retain the seniority number "just in case" or for some other bogus reason.
So stop deflecting and answer, why are you against a simple limit?
And btw if flying the line is so much greater than union work, where is Lee Moak right now? He's not flying jets for DAL anymore is he? I mean pardon the masses for wondering sometimes if the goal of going to DALPA is to get a job in Herndon. But no worries, I think I made it clear from my post I want this uniformly applied to all pilots not just the union.
And accusing me of deflection? I'd accuse you of not reading well, you got the part I do want MEC members to rotate back to the line but you forgot the part I highlighted in red:
So, again, why do you Alfa not think there should be a limit for any pilot to be away from the line before they are no longer pilots? Or I guess for you, why this limit shouldn't apply to union folks?
I mean do you like the notion someone could camp out off line and wait until their seniority is much better before they return or have no intention of returning but have a direct effect on the lives of those out there flying whether it be in management, the union or training?
I mean turnover rates can be whatever they are in all three of those areas, doesn't matter to me, I just want it in writing in case someone is contemplating a life outside the line but wants to retain the seniority number "just in case" or for some other bogus reason.
So stop deflecting
and answer, why are you against a simple limit? And btw if flying the line is so much greater than union work, where is Lee Moak right now? He's not flying jets for DAL anymore is he? I mean pardon the masses for wondering sometimes if the goal of going to DALPA is to get a job in Herndon. But no worries, I think I made it clear from my post I want this uniformly applied to all pilots not just the union.
Carl
10-21-2011, 05:45 PM
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I think you broke the code. There may be a lot of new faces "on the MEC", but if you look at committees I think you'll see a lot of familiar faces. And you'll find guys that got voted out or not voted in (due to line pilot input to reps) that are "doing work" for some of our most important committees.
10-21-2011, 06:21 PM
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Ha, the standard worn out response along with "If you don't like it here you should just quit" (not strive for something better in your current job/situation). The main point obviously flew right over your head.
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10-21-2011, 07:05 PM
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BTW, this was from today:
But again, as much as I'd prefer to have cheap and nearly new 117ish seat airplanes in the fleet I'm hesitant about how they get here.
Southwest Airlines Chairman, President and CEO Gary Kelly says it would be “fantastic” if the airline could find a way to retire the Boeing 717s that were part of its AirTran Airways acquisition before their leases expire, but adds that there is no deal in the offing.
Southwest earlier made clear it does not plan to keep the 88 aircraft when their leases expire, between 2018 and 2024, but seemed to be sending conflicting signals in early September, when it alluded to a possible deal with Boeing to get rid of them earlier (Aviation Daily, Sept. 8).
In a conference call on Oct. 20 to discuss the carrier's third-quarter earnings, Kelly reiterated the desire to drop the aircraft type and said, “If we had an opportunity that was affordable for us to accelerate the retirement of the 717s and replace them with 737s, that would be fantastic.”
But Kelly also added that Southwest does not have that alternative right now. “We’re talking to Boeing about a whole variety of things, and that would be one,” Kelly said. But he also said, “The odds are you are going to see those aircraft operated for Southwest for quite some time.”
Southwest earlier made clear it does not plan to keep the 88 aircraft when their leases expire, between 2018 and 2024, but seemed to be sending conflicting signals in early September, when it alluded to a possible deal with Boeing to get rid of them earlier (Aviation Daily, Sept. 8).
In a conference call on Oct. 20 to discuss the carrier's third-quarter earnings, Kelly reiterated the desire to drop the aircraft type and said, “If we had an opportunity that was affordable for us to accelerate the retirement of the 717s and replace them with 737s, that would be fantastic.”
But Kelly also added that Southwest does not have that alternative right now. “We’re talking to Boeing about a whole variety of things, and that would be one,” Kelly said. But he also said, “The odds are you are going to see those aircraft operated for Southwest for quite some time.”
10-21-2011, 07:18 PM
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