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11-06-2011, 06:35 AM
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Dear alfaromeo,
I have a question for you now that I've answered all of yours:
What are your thoughts of our ALPA lawyers given the following FACTS?:
1. Jury found ALPA and its lawyers failed to represent TWA pilots.
2. Judge found ALPA and its lawyers liable in trying to ignore the contract and bust the union of ALPA's own in-house union of clerical employees.
3. Judge hit ALPA's lawyers with a Rule 11 sanction for lying about the lawyers representing TWA pilots. One of those lawyers being considered for the Missouri State Supreme Court.
Again alfaromeo, what are your thoughts on ALPA's lawyers?
Carl
I have a question for you now that I've answered all of yours:
What are your thoughts of our ALPA lawyers given the following FACTS?:
1. Jury found ALPA and its lawyers failed to represent TWA pilots.
2. Judge found ALPA and its lawyers liable in trying to ignore the contract and bust the union of ALPA's own in-house union of clerical employees.
3. Judge hit ALPA's lawyers with a Rule 11 sanction for lying about the lawyers representing TWA pilots. One of those lawyers being considered for the Missouri State Supreme Court.
Again alfaromeo, what are your thoughts on ALPA's lawyers?
Carl
11-06-2011, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
WIthout a doubt I can personally say that I will not pay for ALPA mistakes regarding TWA. Not sure what I can do besides go with other representation but that takes time and nothing will be in place when we need it most (like getting ready for openers soon at DALPA) DPA has kinks to workout staplers to buy, by-laws to be vetted and published for all to see, a solid business plan etc. Any group looking to draw DAL away from ALPA has to do that, but any group at this juncture trying to do that and promising all will be better is noble but not practical. A united front is what is needed next not re-branding and new marketing ideas. Time is critical and short, I am not happy with anything right now or any one group. But I have to be realistic about what can and can't be done in the short time remaining. DPA has a great start and if things are not any better here by dec 31,2012 I will buy a case of staplers for the next group I can put my vote behind.
Anything even remotely touching, related too, looking like what has degraded things or at USAPA or APA will not get my vote, truth be told....
Anything even remotely touching, related too, looking like what has degraded things or at USAPA or APA will not get my vote, truth be told....
As far as DPA is concerned, I think each and every in-house labor union self defines themselves as a group. The APA group is very different from the USAPA or SWAPA, I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park, but I'm willing to hear the case presented to us. If we can keep a clean simplified balance sheet with very direct, clear communication, then I don't see any reason to fear a transition to DPA.
I'm not saying necessarily that I would vote for DPA at this point in time, but I would like to hear more information about it while being open to a vote in the near future. (Preferably after DALPA's opener is made public to the pilot group)
Now Carl.....Where can I find an authorization card?
11-06-2011, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Good prediction!
And if Tennessee public education systems required being able to count to 11, we would have beat LSU that year too.
shoulda coulda woulda
11-06-2011, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Nope, not a rep.
Carl
11-06-2011, 06:42 AM
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Reserve question:
While on short call how do the groupings work? I know anything more than 4 days you are grouped with others with 4 days or more. According to the contract it is suppose to go by Raw score, then inverse seniority when the score is the same within the same grouping.
If I have 6 days available (and senior) and someone else has 8 days available (and junior), and we both have a score of 0, who would get the trip (say a 4 day trip)?
Does having more than 4 days available come in to play at all?
Thanks.
While on short call how do the groupings work? I know anything more than 4 days you are grouped with others with 4 days or more. According to the contract it is suppose to go by Raw score, then inverse seniority when the score is the same within the same grouping.
If I have 6 days available (and senior) and someone else has 8 days available (and junior), and we both have a score of 0, who would get the trip (say a 4 day trip)?
Does having more than 4 days available come in to play at all?
Thanks.
11-06-2011, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda.
Originally Posted by slowplay
Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.
Do I have that right?
Do I have that right?
Carl
11-06-2011, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Model Citezen
Slowplay,
YOU were the one with the data and the facts.... not me. I just asked some simple questions to clarify the data YOU gave.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, well not really. I do find it very funny that your want to educate the great masses on here, yet get your panties in a wad when asked about the facts you present.
Take care, I see you are a waste of time.
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MC
YOU were the one with the data and the facts.... not me. I just asked some simple questions to clarify the data YOU gave.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, well not really. I do find it very funny that your want to educate the great masses on here, yet get your panties in a wad when asked about the facts you present.
Take care, I see you are a waste of time.
Back to lurker mode
MC
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11-06-2011, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
+1
I always got a laugh out of the blow up rat. I think of it like placing a flag sticker on your car in response to terrorism, it's the least you can do. Literally, the least you can do.
I always got a laugh out of the blow up rat. I think of it like placing a flag sticker on your car in response to terrorism, it's the least you can do. Literally, the least you can do.
Sigh,
Carl
11-06-2011, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
You are a piece of work,TS. I posted the correct info to help you guys. The fact is, we are currently well paid, but that was not always so. Kinda like you used to be well paid and now not so much. If it makes you feel any better, I hope U/CAL, AMR and whoever else gets good contracts as well. Go beat your dog or something, you seem tense.
Carl
11-06-2011, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Please keep it up Rolf. Most of us really appreciate hearing the actual facts from you because our version of ALPA repeatedly lies to us about the SWAPA contract.
Carl
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