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another interesting tidbit is that Republic has in a way undercut Skywest now and will be replacing the replacemnts in a pay to play scheme :cool:
Republic ups loan to Midwest, adds small aircraft to the current deal Republic ups loan to Midwest, adds small aircraft to the current deal By Lori Ranson Republic Airways Holdings has agreed to loan a further $6 million to Midwest airlines and add 12 37-50-seat jets to flying Republic current conducts on behalf of Midwest. Prior to the latest loan, Republic has supplied $25 million in loans to Midwest. An original $15 million loan coincided with the two companies reaching a deal for Republic to fly 12 70-seat Embraer E-170s for Midwest. Last month the agreement was broadened to include two extended range Embraer E-190 aircraft that are scheduled to start service in August and September. Republic detailed the latest changes to its relationship with Midwest in a filing with US regulators. The 12 smaller jets are scheduled to enter service by January 2010. The company says all the aircraft will be sourced from its existing fleet or through a third party lessor. |
Originally Posted by 1234
(Post 625214)
Well, "never" is a long time and I have grown to be quite cynical in my relatively short duration around here.
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Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 625221)
We could always use a better "no-furlough" clause, right fellas?<wink,wink>
Nothing says "we won this round" like a no-furlough clause, haha. Those pieces of crap are barely worth the paper they are written on. |
Originally Posted by 1234
(Post 625187)
Max # of large RJ's reduced to 55
"In the event that (i) the requirements of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)7' are not met, or (ii) the rights to pilot positions or flow rights set forth in Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)2' together with Letter of Agreement 2006-10 as they may apply to the Feeder Carrier Affiliate or Feeder Carrier Successor, are modified or terminated for any reason, other than through a written agreement between the Company and Association as representative of the Company’s pilots, the maximum number of 51–76 seat aircraft permitted by Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(a) shall be reduced to the lower cap (i.e. 55)" TS, it is simple to enforce this. Anyone who would purchase CPS would be well aware of the contract language in our PWA. They could try to claim ignorance, but that will not fly. If they tried to not honor the flow, a group grievance would settle it fairly quickly. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 625063)
In the 26 May LCA meeting it was again put out that no furloughs are planned unless a major event like SARS occurred. The info there was that we will be over about 1000 pilots this winter but will be staffed correctly for the summer of 10. The ER program is not expected to have any real impact on a furlough decision one way or another.
I hope they stick true to their word. I understand there are a lot of variables. Thanks for the update. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 624998)
Well here is something official for all of you MD-90 doubters
Delta has purchased an additional MD-90 from Boeing that will go into service in spring or summer of next year following interior modifications. The plane, considered a domestic workhorse for Delta, likely will serve markets up and down the East Coast and from the mid-U.S. hubs of Minneapolis/St. Paul, Detroit and Salt Lake City, to both coasts, said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy. “We are very happy with the performance of our existing 16 MD-90 aircraft, as they are among the most efficient aircraft that we operate today,” Nat said. “As a result, we’re always seeking attractive market opportunities to acquire more MD-90s, and it’s a key component of our fleet strategy that we presented to the Board in January.” The plane, previously owned by a Swiss charter operator, first will be brought to Delta standards with new seats, cabin configuration and other modifications. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 625065)
This is a graph....not really a "scope report card", but it shows the percentage of lift provided by regional airlines for each of the majors listed.
http://www.aviationplanning.com/images/Outsourcing1.png HOW DO DAL PILOTS INTEND ON "RESTORING LOSSES" WHEN THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY IN FORCE BARELY CONTROLS 1/3 OF DAL FLIGHTS???? WHAT KIND OF LEVERAGE DO WE THINK WE HAVE LEFT???? How much more can be given away in scope modifications when we have already given away more flying to subcontractors than AA, CO, OR UA????? Note that while departure percentage dropped for DAL RJ lift, the seat percentage grew.....Meaning BIGGER RJ's instead of little ones. We are under attack like we've never seen before and the LEC/MEC members just don't seem to get it yet...... So my question is, why is Delta adding mainline jobs and the others are losing jobs. Shouldn't your graph show just the opposite result? I have a hard time resolving the premise of your argument with actual results. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 625143)
Well I always look to history to see what has happned in similar situations. When Continental voted in ALPA and booted the IACP it only took a year and XJT was sold, the flow cancelled, and any future furloughed CAL mainline guys were on the street. The company wanted that and ALPA National did nothing to stop it nor did the new CALALPA guys who were doing whatever their new leadership guys in VA were telling them to do. In the end, mainline pilots lost their jobs.
But I can't remember what happened after that last furlough of CAL pilots, when all of the CAL pilots were finally taken back was the flow up and/or down officially pronounced dead? I remember watching and thinking that the pilots who went from XJT to AirTran in 2002-2003 and back to CAL in 2006* did so way ahead of what they could've ever done at XJT. But I wasn't honestly paying attention to the flow at that point. So here is my thought, flows can be cancelled and reopened. But I don't know if CAL flipped the bill for the CAL pilots training at XJT like I believe DAL is required to do at CPZ. *I may not be right about the year, best I can remember. |
Originally Posted by 1234
(Post 625214)
Well, "never" is a long time and I have grown to be quite cynical in my relatively short duration around here.
You did better then I. I was cynical before I got here. ;) It's so easy with industry to be cynical & weary, but extremely difficult to be positive & upbeat. We as pilots put our lives in the hands of many, everyday, both in the literal and non literal sense(think mechanics/rampers and management/DALPA). Hopefully we pull through this without the F-Bomb being dropped, but even if it does get dropped there's nothing any of us can do about it. So all the furlough fodder (including myself;) ) just have to take it day by day. I think as long as they don't announce another capacity cut we are good. If & when they do, that's probably when I'll start checking the classifieds. It'll be like the scene in American Beauty There's no management positions, just counter stuff. That's perfect. I'm looking for the least amount of responsibilty possible. ;) |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 625327)
The flow was cancelled in the summer of 2001 and then reinstated the week after 9/11. So they closed the flow and then reopend and used the flow back provision in 2001 and then again in 2003*, XJT was IPO'd in 2002.
But I can't remember what happened after that last furlough of CAL pilots, when all of the CAL pilots were finally taken back was the flow up and/or down officially pronounced dead? I remember watching and thinking that the pilots who went from XJT to AirTran in 2002-2003 and back to CAL in 2006* did so way ahead of what they could've ever done at XJT. But I wasn't honestly paying attention to the flow at that point. So here is my thought, flows can be cancelled and reopened. But I don't know if CAL flipped the bill for the CAL pilots training at XJT like I believe DAL is required to do at CPZ. *I may not be right about the year, best I can remember. Its important to note though that the CAL flow and our flow are written differently. Ours cant be cancelled without a number of negative things ($) happening as far as the company is concerned. That wasnt the case for the CAL flow. |
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