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LeineLodge 11-15-2011 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1085304)
I think this has been changed in the Scheduling LOA, and isn't an option anymore.

That's my understanding too. You are now eligible to bid for a month even if you are not bid qualified. In the past we had the blank line option because we couldn't bid prior to being converted.

FIIGMO 11-15-2011 06:09 AM

Scary Stuff on that AA scope thread!
 
That was not what I wanted to read this morning sitting down with my cup of coffee.... AMR is playing hardball and using the public smear to force a very dangerous set of terms on the pilot group. B scale and further expansion of the ALK group code share. As I said there, good for the ALK pilots short term but not good precedent and very dangerous when ALK mgmt wants their cut of the flesh. I just emailed my reps (because it is all I can do at the moment) to voice my concerns. I know DAL and AMR are in very different financial positions but if this gets through in any resemblance, we will be looking like the monkey *******in the football. ( I am sure FTB has a pic of that somewhere ):mad:

FIIGMO 11-15-2011 06:17 AM

From the Scope Doc info to APA
 
"SCOPE
For many decades in the U.S. airline industry, the Scope clause has defined the flying that pilots of a particular airline are entitled to. There have been primarily two key areas to the Scope clause: regional flying and codesharing. Historically, these areas have also caused contention between airline companies and their pilot unions, but we have an opportunity to create a new Scope paradigm that benefits our pilots and the company.
Regional Flying: Ten years ago, the industry had a one-size-fits-all approach to the regional jet market – virtually all aircraft were 50 seats or less, as dictated by pilot labor agreements. However, beginning with a Delta agreement in 2001, and then followed by other carriers’ restructured CBAs in or outside of bankruptcy, our competitors gained the ability to use 70-90 seat jets that were operated by regional airlines. So regional flying began to aggressively replace mainline flying, in addition to the traditional feeder role.
The reason for this is simple: at the regional airline, these 70-90 seat jets have roughly half the unit costs of MD80s, DC9s, and “classic” 737s. The use of regional flying made it easier for network airlines to compete with low-cost carriers, and it enabled them to retire many older airplanes. Of course, one of the reasons for these low regional costs is that these aircraft are flown by pilots with lower rates and more aggressive work rules."


No more Scope relief EVER!

TeddyKGB 11-15-2011 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1085289)
Stupid question ... I completed OE during the first two weeks of the month. Scheduling now has a reserve line built for me for the last two weeks. The LCA suggested that I call scheduling and ask them to move my X and * days around since I didn't bid what they gave me. Do I have a leg to stand on?

Use PCS to move your x days around. I have had great success moving x days round. I was even able to move them to get Thanksgiving off. Well worth a shot if sked wont play ball with you.

forgot to bid 11-15-2011 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1085338)
That was not what I wanted to read this morning sitting down with my cup of coffee.... AMR is playing hardball and using the public smear to force a very dangerous set of terms on the pilot group. B scale and further expansion of the ALK group code share. As I said there, good for the ALK pilots short term but not good precedent and very dangerous when ALK mgmt wants their cut of the flesh. I just emailed my reps (because it is all I can do at the moment) to voice my concerns. I know DAL and AMR are in very different financial positions but if this gets through in any resemblance, we will be looking like the monkey *******in the football. ( I am sure FTB has a pic of that somewhere ):mad:

We'll use the standard t-shirt:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp-130.jpg

FIIGMO 11-15-2011 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1085347)

That will do! I figured the monkey thing would not make it past the censors anyway!

As I fill out my MD's from LAX and looking forward to another commute on Alaska to work, I realize I really really need to switch over to DECAF!

acl65pilot 11-15-2011 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1085289)
Stupid question ... I completed OE during the first two weeks of the month. Scheduling now has a reserve line built for me for the last two weeks. The LCA suggested that I call scheduling and ask them to move my X and * days around since I didn't bid what they gave me. Do I have a leg to stand on?

You can do two things. A Blank line which will give you pro ratta credit for the training time, and then no credit for the rest of the month. With this second part of the month, you WS as much as you want.

If you just want to move your X days, call scheduling, but what I have done and it works very well, is to call the OE scheduler for your category and have them do it. It has worked every time. Of course I have done it before my IOE signoff was inputted in to the computer.

Professor 11-15-2011 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1085351)
You can do two things. A Blank line which will give you pro ratta credit for the training time, and then no credit for the rest of the month. With this second part of the month, you WS as much as you want.

If you just want to move your X days, call scheduling, but what I have done and it works very well, is to call the OE scheduler for your category and have them do it. It has worked every time. Of course I have done it before my IOE signoff was inputted in to the computer.

Does the same thing apply to a toe only month?

acl65pilot 11-15-2011 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1085315)
That's my understanding too. You are now eligible to bid for a month even if you are not bid qualified. In the past we had the blank line option because we couldn't bid prior to being converted.

True, but I am not sure if NOV was included in that.

acl65pilot 11-15-2011 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1085354)
Does the same thing apply to a toe only month?

It should because technically you are not qualified on the new jet until after IOE.

The Blank line option is changing, but I believe that NOV was not included.


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