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Old 12-17-2011 | 06:57 PM
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Take the DPA discussion to the DPA thread... I swear it's every couple of days I have to say that. Come on!
Old 12-17-2011 | 07:36 PM
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Those GoJet airplanes are at ASA's expense.
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Old 12-17-2011 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Take the DPA discussion to the DPA thread... I swear it's every couple of days I have to say that. Come on!
Is there an ALPA thread for ALPA discussion?
Old 12-17-2011 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Take the DPA discussion to the DPA thread... I swear it's every couple of days I have to say that. Come on!

Old 12-17-2011 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yamahas3
Why not the DPA thread, Zoidberg?
Old 12-17-2011 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Delta Air Lines Newsroom - Press Kit

sure glad I didn't hold my breath on much more mainline flying in the second phase of lga expansion...
WOW! I didn't take the time to add up DAL vs DCI, but that looks like 90% RJs. If you read the release most pilots will read on the DeltaNet homepage, there is no indication this is DCI flying. Do you guys think the average DAL pilot even knows or cares that nearly all of our long-touted LGA expansion will not be flown by us?

I liked the NY Times idea, but I also agree there is zero chance ALPA would put that together. What about a well-placed email to the AP? They love to do anti-airline articles, and I bet the USA Today travel section would be a great place for an RJ expose to show up. You know, less experienced pilots, different rest rules, cost saving measures by the company that detract from safety, etc.

The public also doesn't like to be fooled, so maybe explaining connection flying to them would help them understand how little chance they have of flying on the carrier where they bought their ticket. We don't want to "cut off our nose to spite our face," but I'm starting to think there is no limit to the amount of outsourcing the company will use and ALPA will support. We have to take a stand at some point...maybe getting the public on our side would help? If they vote with their feet and fly JB and SWA instead, we are the ones who get hurt in the long run. Not the management guys who will have invested their bonuses and moved to another company by that point.
Old 12-18-2011 | 02:11 AM
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Flyz, what if the DPA put out a simple cheap press release to the AP? Think of all that would happen ... and then discuss it on the DPA thread.
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Old 12-18-2011 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Delta Air Lines Newsroom - Press Kit

sure glad I didn't hold my breath on much more mainline flying in the second phase of lga expansion...

Originally Posted by FlyZ
WOW! I didn't take the time to add up DAL vs DCI, but that looks like 90% RJs. If you read the release most pilots will read on the DeltaNet homepage, there is no indication this is DCI flying. Do you guys think the average DAL pilot even knows or cares that nearly all of our long-touted LGA expansion will not be flown by us?
I don't know if I counted right but I see this:

220 Flight Segments

202 or 92% Regional
18 or 8% Mainline

By type:
14 MD88 (MIA, NAS, RSW)
4 B737 (DEN)

E145 110 (ALB, BGR, BTV, CAE, CHO, CLE, GSO, GSP, IAD, ILM, MHT, ORF, PHL, RIC, ROA, SDF, SYR, YHZ, YOW, YUL)
CRJ700 38 (BNA, BTV, CLT, MYR, PIT, RDU, ROC, STL, SYR)
E170/175 30 (DFW, IAH, IND, JAX, MCI, MKE, PIT)
CRJ900 22 (BUF, MKE, PIT)
CPJ 2 (RIC)


A couple of observations.

1. If I'm not mistaken, when SWA acquired AirTran and announced new service it was all on a 717 or 737. I didn't see the words CRJ, ERJ, E170, E175, CRJ700 or CRJ900 anywhere. Could that be because of their scope clause?

2. Remember as you read the LGA expansion to say: "Delta wants out of the RJ business" and "The LGA slot swap will increase mainline flying".

3. And remember to say- "shut up scope chickens."

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Old 12-18-2011 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
WOW! I didn't take the time to add up DAL vs DCI, but that looks like 90% RJs. If you read the release most pilots will read on the DeltaNet homepage, there is no indication this is DCI flying. Do you guys think the average DAL pilot even knows or cares that nearly all of our long-touted LGA expansion will not be flown by us?

I liked the NY Times idea, but I also agree there is zero chance ALPA would put that together. What about a well-placed email to the AP? They love to do anti-airline articles, and I bet the USA Today travel section would be a great place for an RJ expose to show up. You know, less experienced pilots, different rest rules, cost saving measures by the company that detract from safety, etc.

The public also doesn't like to be fooled, so maybe explaining connection flying to them would help them understand how little chance they have of flying on the carrier where they bought their ticket. We don't want to "cut off our nose to spite our face," but I'm starting to think there is no limit to the amount of outsourcing the company will use and ALPA will support. We have to take a stand at some point...maybe getting the public on our side would help? If they vote with their feet and fly JB and SWA instead, we are the ones who get hurt in the long run. Not the management guys who will have invested their bonuses and moved to another company by that point.
You are correct. Until we all see our new reality at this airline, nothing will change. As long as you continue to believe what ALPA/management tells us regarding outsourcing, we'll all have plenty to "talk about" on every AE.

Carl
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