I hope I'm wrong, but the way I read it is this:

Prior to duty, a crewmember must have a rest period as defined by 117.25(e):

This defines a rest period as 10 consecutive hours free of duty, of which, 8 must consist of an uninterrupted sleep opportunity. A ride on a jumpseat is not likely to be considered an uninterrupted sleep opportunity. Remember: this 117.25(e) rest period must take place immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period. Pilots tend to forget that rest requirements are to take place prior to duty, not after duty. The reference measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty means that the ten hours prior to duty can not consist of any duty time, not just flight time (in our case, 30 minutes after block in).

Stated more simply: When you go off-duty, you must be able to look back and identify a ten-hour rest period, eight of which must be an uninterrupted sleep opportunity, that took place immediately prior to signing in for duty.

And on top of that, we have to report if we don't get it (117.25(f)):

Add to that 117.5(d):



I sincerely hope that this get interpreted by the FAA to apply only to layovers, but there is nothing in this language to suggest that this is the case.

One thing is for certain: It will take a while to find out how the various players interpret these new regulations, and there's going to be some battles.

We live in interesting times.:)

I still only read it as saying we must be scheduled for 10 hours rest.

Cargo exclusion : despicable, if not criminal........

It is all about the context of what they are discussing.

in the NPRM commuting and rest was addressed specifically. I do not see it addressed specifically in the rule making like it was in the NPRM. Suffice to say more of that stuff was study and report back. Because of that language in the NPRM, if they try to apply this to commuting, the majority position should be that there was no study and no report ergo it does not apply to the time before your original report for duty.

If for some reason it does, the ATA will have a bird because there was no way for them to message their contracts with their labor groups. I see both sides not wanting to touch commuting with these FAR's. Of course Johnso, it depends on how the FAA "interprets" each little nugget they dropped in this new FAR.

Agreed, and I expect to see some strong words etc from those groups. I have talked to a few of their reps today, and mad does not even begin to describe how they feel.

They were asked to come to DC next week......

The company may have to make pairings that report at 10AM or 12 noon with a scheduled rest period then your first flight is 8pm or 10 PM. That lets guys commute in and get rest on the co dime while in the crew room sleep area.

It really is unbelievable. Our government and its agencies need a deep house cleaning to get rid of the corruption. Probably not going to happen any time soon.

To see how business is conducted in Washington every day watch this clip from a guy who got caught doing it. I believe people in our own union get sidetracked with their own immediate desires and the "justification" starts and its downhill from there.

Note starting at time stamp 1:45 and 3:20

Jack Abramoff: The lobbyist's playbook - YouTube

Has anybody else noticed Delta's lobbying money increase the past couple years. Also the ATA (oh yeah I forgot the new name "Airlines for America :rolleyes: ) hiring people that recently worked "on the hill" in key departments, still friends with the lawmakers/staffers there.

I agree that whatever union we have needs a presence on capital hill. We need to cut the fat (ie money to regionals, money wasted on FPL internet bandits, oil paintings and all the silly stuff given to the ALPA leadership) and put more dollars toward hiring actual lobbyists to do business the way government does business as the video above illustrates. That's how you affect change now as proven by your very own Delta Airlines and AFA in dumbing down the FTDT rules.

I'll bet you and Chloe O'Brian could take care of that! :D

Me and Chloe are on it! I juuusst need to diffuse this one last bomb then we are headed to Washington to take care o bniss! ;)

You do realize you're not on a secure line, right? :D