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flyallnite 12-21-2011 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1105669)
Where did it say that dead heading now counts towards 30/7? I hope that is true and that we can also do 9 hour day turns like JFK-PAP-JFK. I would rather fly both legs than deadhead in the back on one of them.

There is no more 30/7, that restriction is eliminated under these new regs.

buzzpat 12-21-2011 12:23 PM

How would any of this have prevented the Colgan crash? Answer: it wouldn't. More DC eye wash BS.

boog123 12-21-2011 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1105725)
Our PWA limits still apply - and are more restrictive than the new rules in many cases. So no two-man-over-eight-hour trips for us - until we negotiate that away :rolleyes:

Yup, as soon as one carrier does it, "we will need it to compete", etc. Just a matter of time before it's toast.

Roadkill 12-21-2011 01:11 PM

Which phone to buy for commuting pilot? Android or IPhone 4s? (Sprint)

Ok, I know there are a LOT of posts on here about this, and I am currently on the thread search reading through them... but just in case one of you has already DONE all this research and really has a good opinion, I'd rather just run out and buy the thing!

I am on a 2008 Palm Treo "Windows 6" phone, which I've liked but is not getting iffy for charging etc. I need a new phone, want to move into the new age. I expect to do phone/text, some email, like to look at an excel spreadsheet on it, and access ICREW for jumpseat and PCS info. And Travelnet or other webpages for commuting info.

Which phone to get? I don't have any other Apple stuff yet...
Thanks for any help or links. I'll be catching up on the back-posts while hoping for some new brilliant post to solve my research problems! ;)

DAL 88 Driver 12-21-2011 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1105797)
How would any of this have prevented the Colgan crash? Answer: it wouldn't. More DC eye wash BS.

Exactly. It sounds like fatigue played a role in that accident... but, sadly, the media is reporting on these new regs as if fatigue was determined to be the primary cause. I think the primary cause was a culture of the airlines putting cost before safety. You had a Captain that had failed... what was it?... 7 checkrides in his short career! And a wet-behind-the-ears First Officer that had never even flown in icing conditions before and couldn't afford to call in sick or to even have someplace in base to get a good night's sleep before her trip.

What allowed those pilots to be in the cockpit that day? Cost before safety. What caliber of individuals must we be attracting now to a profession that requires a civilian to go massively in debt to enter, offers starvation wages for way longer than it typically used to, and then when you finally make it to the major airlines, it pays about half what it used to? Cannot possibly be the same caliber of new entrants to this profession (not all, but in general). Again, cost before safety.

If the FAA is serious about safety, they need to be taking a very hard look at what has happened to this profession over the past decade. Same goes for ALPA or any other pilot's union that claims safety as its number one priority.

RonRicco 12-21-2011 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1105802)
Yup, as soon as one carrier does it, "we will need it to compete", etc. Just a matter of time before it's toast.


I wonder why that hasn't been the case at Delta then already? We have had much tighter duty days etc than the FAR's and many other carriers.. Yet we haven't been forced to change. (just making the point that it is not an absolute)

The other thing to look at when it comes to flight time, it is a HARD time. That means if you have yet to take off and you are now projected to go over due to a long taxi time, you must go back to the gate. As it stands now the company can schedule for 7:59 and have no fear if it goes over. If they push it that close now say on a SXM turn and you go over 2 minutes, you can not take off for the return flight. Same with a 2 man crew that "may" be legal to go to Europe blocked at 8:45.. 15 minute delay in JFK and they are toast. Is it worth the risk to try this with a two man crew?

Not saying that a company wont try anything, but my guess is there will have to be a heavy buffer between scheduled and what is legal or they will run a huge risk of getting planes stuck in places they do not want them, or a lot of gate returns. Doesn't take to many xled flights to make up for the cost of a third pilot.

DAL 88 Driver 12-21-2011 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1105830)
I wonder why that hasn't been the case at Delta then already? We have had much tighter duty days etc than the FAR's and many other carriers.. Yet we haven't been forced to change. (just making the point that it is not an absolute)

The other thing to look at when it comes to flight time, it is a HARD time. That means if you have yet to take off and you are now projected to go over due to a long taxi time, you must go back to the gate. As it stands now the company can schedule for 7:59 and have no fear if it goes over. If they push it that close now say on a SXM turn and you go over 2 minutes, you can not take off for the return flight. Same with a 2 man crew that "may" be legal to go to Europe blocked at 8:45.. 15 minute delay in JFK and they are toast. Is it worth the risk to try this with a two man crew?

Not saying that a company wont try anything, but my guess is there will have to be a heavy buffer between scheduled and what is legal or they will run a huge risk of getting planes stuck in places they do not want them, or a lot of gate returns. Doesn't take to many xled flights to make up for the cost of a third pilot.

That is an excellent point.

buzzpat 12-21-2011 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1105829)
If the FAA is serious about safety, they need to be taking a very hard look at what has happened to this profession over the past decade. Same goes for ALPA or any other pilot's union that claims safety as its number one priority.

Bingo! They won't ask the question because they know the answer.

vprMatrix 12-21-2011 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1105832)
That is an excellent point.

Except that the SXM turn now gets 9 hours which makes it a 1 crew turn everyday.

johnso29 12-21-2011 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Milehighrabbi (Post 1105667)
From 117.25:
Read it carefully. Commuting just got a whole lot more interesting. :eek:

I don't see anything new. All it says is we must have 10 hours rest before/between assignments. Sounds like what we already have.


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