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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1105474)

Those would be three completely different statements/time lines. I don't waste my time teaching my dog calculus. I should do the same in having a logical discussion with Mr. Almighty Whale Captain.

OK, let's take my statements one at a time:

Carl Spackler http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
The NMB is not involved from the start, so you don't have to worry about losing them from the start. They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB.

This is absolutely correct. Since it is the parties themselves that decide when the normal negotiations process is futile, they also decide when it has ended for them. When that decision has been made by the parties, seeking NMB involvement is the next step in the process.

Carl Spackler http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages.

This is also correct. The NMB is not involved in openers at all. The NMB is only involved at the latter stages of negotiations, typically when someone wants an impasse declared. The only body that actually gets to decide that an impasse actually exists and a 30 day cooling off period begins is the NMB.

Carl Spackler http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages. So please enlighten this fool. So is your final answer in regards to the NMB:

A: "That is much sooner than the NMB normally gets involved."
B: "They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB."

C: "Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages."

Items B and C are explained above. Item A is also entirely consistent with my statements above. In our contract, we didn't want the company to have the ability to drag negotiations out for years before the NMB was called, so we have a provision giving a date certain when the NMB will be called by both sides to become involved if an agreement hasn't been reached in direct negotiations. Because this is in our contract, we've already decided a date certain when the normal negotiations process has ended and NMB involvement begins. This contract provisions sets up NMB involvement much sooner than is normally the case. But either way, it signifies the end of the normal negotiations process.

You seem intent on trying to find contradiction where there is none, so maybe you're right about that teaching a dog calculus comment.

Carl

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1105797)

How would any of this have prevented the Colgan crash? Answer: it wouldn't. More DC eye wash BS.

Exactly right. This entire process began because of the Colgan crash. These rules were meant to prevent its reoccurence by reducing fatigue.

Eye wash instead.

Carl

As for the 2-man Europe flying, remember the max flight time depends on your start time, in Home Base Time, (or local if acclimated) so many of those reports in Europe are before 0500 eastern time (NYC, ATL, DTW crews) so they would be limited to 8 hours flight time, and need a relief FO.

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1106181)

Thanks for this. I haven't don't any international, so I'm not familiar with the rules. I'm sure it's the same for many others. This is helpful.

Anyone else see that there will be no more 24 hour short call for intl???!!? Score!

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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1105883)

Me and Chloe are on it! I juuusst need to diffuse this one last bomb then we are headed to Washington to take care o bniss! ;)

Watched the youtube video on Jack Abrahamoff. I think that most (thinking) people understand that this is how it gets done in DC. I wish I could come up with a way to change that. Abrahamoff said it well toward the end of the interview "....when you're elected to office, you should come to DC, represent your constituants, and then GO HOME!!!) Oh, that that were a reality

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Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1106189)

Anyone else see that there will be no more 24 hour short call for intl???!!? Score!

Yeah down to 14hrs....big win!!

Anyone think that the 8hr hard time will reduce the scheduled flying in a day, thus making each day worth less. Therefore our 3 and possibly 4 day trips will will need to be stretched to 5 our more to madge it a viable trip. I'm talking domestic here....

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Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1106195)

You're currently getting more than 8 block in a day?

Block per day was actually increased to 9 if you show 0500-1959.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1106017)

Buzz, I might not have the pictures anymore. Maybe a little reconstructive surgery...

btw I found this one:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp-156.jpg

JobHopper already responded correctly, but w/o the pic. Happened on the old MEM Guard ramp, north side of the airport. Fueler incorrectly fueled the aircraft. It sat on the ramp for about a week like this. Not sure of the year, but, maybe 2003-2004 time frame. Man, that's a sad sight even for a Navy guy