It would be a pretty boring world if we all liked the same things. I don't ever want to fly international. :eek:

If it is not on par with what the pilots have stated as their minimums via the survey and Wilson Polling, I do not expect my MEC reps to put it out for a vote. If this organization is "bottom up" driven, sending out an inadequate TA would be hypocritical.

It's a complex document, but less money but a quick deal would have to mean a shorter duration with much larger "variable compensation" (profit sharing). Plus lots of the stuff we want scope-wise. I can wait if the TVM doesn't calculate to be worth it.

I agree and to me that's the thing, what strategy puts the most money in the pocket? I hate to say this because it's obvious but the best strategy is to have it written down on paper.

"So you want a 2 year deal and you promise in 2 years that ABC will happen? Okay, put it in writing that in 2 years if A, B and C haven't happened then we get XYZ."

It's like snap backs in contracts. Give a concession, ensure a snap back in case the economy goes gangbusters. Don't give a 4 year concessionary deal because the economy is bad now because normally in 1 year it'll be great but in 3 it'll be headed back down again and then get ready for: oh no, I'm sorry guys, we made lots of money these past three years but we can't sign a good contract in this pending economy!? Thanks for being understanding, like we say, Continental pil... I mean any generic pilot group is the best!

I'm with you 88. Got that stuff outta my system a long time ago.

Are you trying to tell me you want me to bid the 737 out of LAX? :D:eek:

Carl

There is no talk of a extension just for the record. We are in what can best be described as accelerated section 6. I don't know specifics and I doubt any will be released. I suspect each side has agreed to a hold harmless type agreement. If there is no agreement in the near term then everything on the table will be pulled and we start over with a traditional section 6. I am sure the company is asking for a 5 or 6 year contract and we are asking for a 3 year contract.
Everyone should review the history of contract negotiations over the last 10 years with pilot groups. You may need that knowledge to make a choice soon. I will still be surprised if they reach a accelerated agreement because the gulf between both sides I suspect is grand canyon sized. The union knows that they have the support of the pilot group in search of massive improvements. The company knows they can exploit the process to keep us working under the current agreement for at least 4 years and probably longer based on history.

Can anyone think of anything more stressful than your wife non-revving on her own?

Which is fine, take all the time we need. Let's take the time and get it right. No loopholes, no sorry we didn't think of that.

I have no problem if it takes 5 years. But it better be the right contract.

Your mother-in-law!

Likewise. I spent 16 years on the 141 flying into third world countries. I don't need to start over again.