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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1160129)

There is no talk of a extension just for the record. We are in what can best be described as accelerated section 6. I don't know specifics and I doubt any will be released. I suspect each side has agreed to a hold harmless type agreement. If there is no agreement in the near term then everything on the table will be pulled and we start over with a traditional section 6. I am sure the company is asking for a 5 or 6 year contract and we are asking for a 3 year contract.
Everyone should review the history of contract negotiations over the last 10 years with pilot groups. You may need that knowledge to make a choice soon. I will still be surprised if they reach a accelerated agreement because the gulf between both sides I suspect is grand canyon sized. The union knows that they have the support of the pilot group in search of massive improvements. The company knows they can exploit the process to keep us working under the current agreement for at least 4 years and probably longer based on history.

Sailing,

Smart move by management to manage pilot expectations while isolating the Delta pilots from the other employee groups. Management will appear to have acted in good faith and will leave others with the impression that Delta pilot greed was the reason they don't have the contract they desire.

The only thing management needs in the short term is another scope sale.

A traditional union could stand firm against a scope sale and look like they were best representing their pilots' jobs. But, D-ALPA has already ceded the moral high ground of "unity" by authorizing a scope sale in a form of "what if we trade what you want (more jets with 737 CASM), if you give us the political cover of what you don't desire (less 50 seat flying) and more money." The likely real disagreement is going to be scope on the international end, where both management and ALPA both want exclusive control.

From the outset, it appears ALPA is being strategically out maneuvered, but they are not out of moves by a long shot. To win, they've got to change the political dialogue from money to jobs.

STOP OUTSOURCING OUR WORK! resonates with the public, shareholders, fellow employees and the NLRB better than "Screw everyone, WE DEMAND MORE MONEY." If we make this about jobs, then we get more money by being more productive on more aircraft (and larger aircraft) flown by Delta Air Lines. That's the sort of win / win that will get us a better contract (and more money!).

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Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1159981)

But the question remains, is the median Delta First Officer on the 737? Is the median Delta Captain on the 737?

I think the median CA would be a senior 737 CA, but I can't swear to that. When I worked the numbers for my LGBP scenario, the 757/767 was 35% of the overall fleet. That has changed with the demise of the DC9, but I would still bet that the 737 is somewhere right around the center. It will become even more so with the acquisition of the 737-900s and if the rumor is true about the 717s, then even more yet.

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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1160131)

Can anyone think of anything more stressful than your wife non-revving on her own?

Especially out of CAI... blonde haired woman in a muslim country... yeah.. stress meter was definitely pegged.

Some good news? Sort of I guess. The writer is a toolbag though... but it looks at least a little better for the pilot group.

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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1160132)

Which is fine, take all the time we need. Let's take the time and get it right. No loopholes, no sorry we didn't think of that.

I have no problem if it takes 5 years. But it better be the right contract.

+1000. Take the time, but get it right.

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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1160131)

Can anyone think of anything more stressful than your wife non-revving on her own?

Its like trying to explain to your mom why she can't non-rev on Fri afternoon and come back Sunday night. Deer in headlights, "but you're a pilot, they should let me on." :mad:

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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1160131)

Can anyone think of anything more stressful than your wife non-revving on her own?

Yep, wife with kids and her mom on a S4. Just buy tickets. :eek:

In laws really need to be grouped in with step parents.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1160104)

Are you trying to tell me you want me to bid the 737 out of LAX? :D:eek:

Carl

Why the hell not Carl?! I'd love to see you out here. Besides, it seems like everybody else is....:D

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1160163)

Why the hell not Carl?! I'd love to see you out here. Besides, it seems like everybody else is....:D

Yep! Back to 737 in LAX..... On the LAXER I was getting so tired of GUA 11hr 3 day all
nighters and 10 hr OGG 4 days (7 commutes and 66 hours of pay with those lil gems) Cant wait for awesome LAX all nighters to CMH TPA. Soooo glad I can depend on Alaska for a ride to work...... But hey I at least have a job right?

Things are looking up! Bring the Beer Carl at least we can have some fun!!!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1160133)

Your mother-in-law!

Lol. I'm not going to able sleep tonight thinking about that.