Yes. Or, they're gonna have to carry a lot more short call reserves. (Thanks ftb.) :D

If that's the way it is, I think it will change the way we are scheduled and it will provide a disincentive for 1.) 9 hour West Coast turns and; 2.) the unsegmented Western European flying everyone is worried about.

I have not had a chance to look yet but does the 8 hr contract limit apply to all flying or just crossings? My understanding is that there is no protection for domestic but I haven't taken the time to verify this yet.

But, if I'm reading this correctly, now if you are scheduled for anything close to the limit of 8 or 9 hours, and a hiccup occurs (wx, mx, return to gate, ect.) there is a very good chance your last flight will be cancelled for at least 10 hours if you are at an outstation -- or, at least you won't be flying it.

I think sinca is worried that the company will build schedules so as to not even approach the FAR limit to avoid that possibility.

From the email:

As of now, we can fly over 8 hours. All we have to do is be legal when we push. In two years though, it seems as though once we are projected to go over the limit, if we're not flying, we have to go back to the gate and go to bed.

Dude, Why did you have to post this? I was just about over my homesickness of being displaced off this great aircraft and closing of my base. :eek: Anyway looks like a nice day in ANC.:cool:

1. An international category pilot will not be scheduled for block time in excess of eight
37 hours in a trans-oceanic duty period.
38 Exceptions: An international category pilot may be scheduled:
39 a. up to 12 hours block time in a trans-oceanic duty period if the flight crew is
40 augmented with a relief First Officer, or
41 b. in excess of 12 hours block time in a trans-oceanic duty period if the flight crew is
42 augmented with a relief crew.
43 2. FAR flight and duty time limitations will be calculated with reference to a pilot’s base
44 time.

16 C.
2. A pilot relief seat will be provided on all aircraft that are scheduled to be operated for more than eight hours but not more than 12 hours, block-to-block. (This one will have to be interpreted. I am sure they are going to say block to block is on a per segment basis, no on a total daily block basis)


I just looked and I cannot find a limit for domestic operations. As we know everything to three degrees South of the Equator is considered domestic, so this includes all of the Caribbean stuff.

No. Currently, all we need is to be legal when we start our duty duty day.

Commuting
 

Now that I will be forced to commute once again, anyone see anything in the new rules that will make commuting more difficult?:eek:

No. I don't see anything.

Yea its completely geared against commuting and piloting in general. You should retire instead.

This may have been discussed earlier but has anyone thought of the ramifications of the new rest requirements on the regionals and then that impact to Delta. I know Pinnacle which has around 140 aircraft flying under the DAL banner routinely schedules a large percentage of overnights for reduced (<9 hours) rest. With the other requirements, I'm curious what the staffing requirements will be once this is implemented. Further, is this considered a pass through cost that DAL will have to absorb? I don't know how the Air Service Agreements read for the 9 or so carriers we have but this could cost us a pretty penny to the tune of a couple of hundred million dollars.