Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1159793)

There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:

Average 2010 Wages and Salaries

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm

Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573

Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm

Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000

So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.

It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.

From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).

I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1159617)

Those young whipper snappers are probably saying the same thing me and my flight school buddies were saying in the late 90s; how many $20 envelopes can you put in a 767 verses $200 passengers?

None of us tool our own advice but it's easy to see how the freight business seems far more stable and profitable. I know, I know, there's no money in freight if we do it. Now if AF does it out of ATL for us that's fine. It's like the E-Jets, they suck if we fly them but they order them like mad for someone else to fly.

Also, it's not lost on people that 17 years at FedEx means you can be an MD11 LCA. What does 17 years buy you at DAL, AMR, UsAiR, the United side of UCAL?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1159799)

I think you fire people on Fridays, you document dump Friday night and if you're some sort of freak with good news you do it Tuesday.

Or that's why White Houses do no matter who's in charge.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1159778)

Check out the tail number on that 727. ;) That's Morningstar Air Cargo.

Atlas does quite a bit of Emirates flying year round.

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1159793)

There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:

Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000

I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1159793)

There seems to be a few folks on this forum that have quality information, or maybe not. I've heard the Roger statistic of how SWA is 11% ahead of us, and the explantation. I did a little research using Form 41 data from the DOT. Here's what I found:

Average 2010 Wages and Salaries

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0PERSONNEL.htm

Delta $142,800
SWA $166,573

Total 2010 Compensation (wages, benefits, and payroll taxes), i.e. more than what we see in our W2

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm

Delta $186,095
SWA $206,000

So I know it's 2010 data, and both airlines have received pay increases since then. Delta received a 4% pay increase each Jan. 1, and 6.52% and 4.8% profit sharing in 2010 and 2011. SWA has received raises as well.

It seems from my perspective that this contract will have to exceed SWA to have much support.

From the Form 41 data, the average Delta pilot will need to make an additional $24,000 in Wages and Salaries, or looking at from total compensation (perhaps unfairly because of payroll taxes), we need to retain any advantages in benefits with total compensation per pilot increasing about $20,000 ($206,000-$186,095).

I think this is a valid analysis of us compared to SWA and a way to measure if we meet or exceed SWA?

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1159823)

Now, pull out deltas info so you only include our 737.

Ps....our 88/90 holds more pax than their 73s.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1159731)

Marketing and Network run the "brand." They decide which division or partner will create their productive capacity. Their decisions are driven by revenue and cost. They don't particularly care if it is a Delta 747 or an Air France A380. Neither do they care whether it is a 757, or a NextGen CRJ. None are old school Delta. None have the nostalgic sensibilities that cloud our judgement. Their considerations are mathematical, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1159778)

Check out the tail number on that 727. ;) That's Morningstar Air Cargo.

Atlas does quite a bit of Emirates flying year round.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1159272)

Wait, mega is $500M.

I'll buy a Cessna 172P.