Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1152887)

WRONG!:) According to DALPA scheduling you cannot adjust each individual slip. I thought you could but.......a GS went out today that I thought I had a whiteslip in for but it turns out I didn't because of my standing qualifiers. I changed them on the menu following the whiteslip entry so I should have gotten the trip via whiteslip but nooooooooo! According to DALPA scheduling (I called the MEC) that menu is, essentially, a view only even though you can "change" things.

To change your standing qualifiers you have to do it from the main PCS menu, not the one following each individual slip.....

Denny

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1152887)

WRONG!:) According to DALPA scheduling you cannot adjust each individual slip. I thought you could but.......a GS went out today that I thought I had a whiteslip in for but it turns out I didn't because of my standing qualifiers. I changed them on the menu following the whiteslip entry so I should have gotten the trip via whiteslip but nooooooooo! According to DALPA scheduling (I called the MEC) that menu is, essentially, a view only even though you can "change" things.

To change your standing qualifiers you have to do it from the main PCS menu, not the one following each individual slip.....

Denny

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1152859)

Well, I moved down 3 more spots in category... every one of them a VD once again. This is the 4th AE in a row where I've been pushed downward by guys taking voluntary displacements above me... every single one of the original MD slots they replaced were junior to me. Not sure what that means, but it's somehow disgruntling.

Every single AE for years now I have slid backwards in category. From where I sit, my QOL is just steadily eroding... and no other category, no matter how far down the food chain I go, is better than current due to commuting. Depressing.

I hear guys like rvr123 above moving 30, and look at the junior guys on each category moving back and forth each AE, wow that makes me cringe, and feel glad at least I stayed in base.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1152776)

Let me take (yet) another shot at explaining some major shortcomings of LBP.

First of all, let's be clear: we're talking about shifting wealth. Let's set aside the idea of negotiating a new contract, so we isolate this discussion just to LBP. Let's just say we want to reach a LOA on LBP. We're not going to bring, for free, all pay to the 747 rate. So LBP would require some averaging, probably weighted by fleet size. But let's say, for argument's sake, that this is important to us.

For this generation, this pilot group, if we take a snapshot, we get winners and losers. Porbably everyone 757 and up loses money, and the DC-9, for several months at least, sees the greatest improvement. Everyone then chases QOL, and the system undergoes a massive realignment, as senior pilots, now much poorer, "chase QOL". Or maybe they do what pilots have always done, especially pilots that just took a paycut: they chase money. The only way they can do this is to get to the front end of a categoy, any category.

Then what?

Over time, passenger numbers grow, and capacity is added. Under the old model, pay is roughly related to size, though it's not fully proportional. There is no pilot cost incentive to pick small or large airplanes, though larger is a little cheaper.

But when you make them all the same, crew costs on a DC-9 are outrageous, vs. a 747. IOW, the incentives for large airplanes are obvious, and the disadvantages of small airplanes equally obvious. And, since capacity is increasing, Delta simply increases aircraft size. In fact, the incentive is to replace capacity (including growth) with less, but disproportionately larger, large airplane. We may see the A380, after all. Who doesn't benefit? The Delta pilots.

Under the traditional system, when capacity grows, we have a pre-set, guaranteed way of benefiting. Under LBP, a guaranteed way of losing.

And let's not kid ourselves by suggesting a new contract would change the damage of LBP. Even if there were significant raises, LBP still shifts wealth. If there were large % increases across the fleet, except for the largest airplanes, we would still see a rush from those airplanes to the top of every category, and we would still be left with a built-in loser.

But at least, the (fewer) pilots remaining would finally get to see more WB's on property, and they would get to be paid (very little) to sip their coffee as their junior, poor a$$ is once again enroute to Narita.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1152945)

So who do we contact at Delta for a paid move?