Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1153029)

Anyone else but me not have their ATP and get a letter today that the practical is going to be administered during their next CQ?

Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1153005)

Roadkill,

I firmly believe the decline in seniority will continue for the next half decade. With only 517 retirements between now and 2017 (yes it picks up after that) there is really no future for advancement. Also, the continued adjustments in flying has given many opportunities to FNW guys to move into bases that they prefer such as your base SLC as well as ATL and LAX. Hence, the continued rise in seniority in those base and the dramatic decline in seniority in MSP and DTW.

I realize that every body says thousands of Capt's will retire early but that has not happened up until now. It is simply to easy for them to stay and fly. I generally ask Capt's if they think they will stay until 65. The vast majority say that they would like to retire early but since they lost their pensions that is not really feasible. Also, they openly admit being senior for an
additional half decade has been pretty nice. On a side note I recently talked to someone who would be involved in future hiring at Delta about the Capt's staying and he readily admitted guys were staying much longer than was originally anticipated.

As far as FNW guys moving to DL bases I'm sure that someone on here will
tell me that thousands of south guys have moved to north bases and truthfully I cannot refute that, but what I do know is that I am extremely senior overall in MSP and DTW and continue to get more senior in each of those bases. While I continue to get more junior in ATL, SLC, and LAX. But what can I say I'm probably wrong and am misinterpreting the seniority reshuffle that is taking place.

Good luck Roadkill I think you were lucky to miss most of the turmoil while you were on long term Mil leave.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1153067)

In case you guys haven't figured it out, no one is retiring until they are forced to (other than a very few exceptions). The company is not replacing all the guys that leave. We will not have real movement until 2017. I've accepted it. There's no sense in complaining about it. There's nothing we an do about it.

Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1153005)

Roadkill,

I firmly believe the decline in seniority will continue for the next half decade. With only 517 retirements between now and 2017 (yes it picks up after that) there is really no future for advancement. Also, the continued adjustments in flying has given many opportunities to FNW guys to move into bases that they prefer such as your base SLC as well as ATL and LAX. Hence, the continued rise in seniority in those base and the dramatic decline in seniority in MSP and DTW.

I realize that every body says thousands of Capt's will retire early but that has not happened up until now. It is simply to easy for them to stay and fly. I generally ask Capt's if they think they will stay until 65. The vast majority say that they would like to retire early but since they lost their pensions that is not really feasible. Also, they openly admit being senior for an additional half decade has been pretty nice. On a side note I recently talked to someone who would be involved in future hiring at Delta about the Capt's staying and he readily admitted guys were staying much longer than was originally anticipated.

As far as FNW guys moving to DL bases I'm sure that someone on here will tell me that thousands of south guys have moved to north bases and truthfully I cannot refute that, but what I do know is that I am extremely senior overall in MSP and DTW and continue to get more senior in each of those bases. While I continue to get more junior in ATL, SLC, and LAX. But what can I say I'm probably wrong and am misinterpreting the seniority reshuffle that is taking place.

Good luck Roadkill I think you were lucky to miss most of the turmoil while you were on long term Mil leave.

Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1153073)

So age 60 voodoo dolls stuck with pins wont work?

Get the captain drunk and lie to him about pickup and drop a hint to the TSA wont work?

Borrow his computer on a layover and then call the FBI?

Make him walk from Spondivits to the hotel at 2am drunk with a pocket full of $20 bills?

Get Carl and Tsquare **** drunk and lock them in a room together and see if we gain one or two numbers?

Any other ideas?:D

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1153080)

My idea is to just let them work until 65. Most of them will be dead before they turn 75. The joke is on them. Every year they work, they take years off the end of their lives. I come from an airline background. Most of the retired pilots that I know are dying well younger than the national average, and these are the guys that retired at 60.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1153067)

In case you guys haven't figured it out, no one is retiring until they are forced to (other than a very few exceptions). The company is not replacing all the guys that leave. We will not have real movement until 2017. I've accepted it. There's no sense in complaining about it. There's nothing we an do about it.