It says nobody was injured but man watch the thing spin out of sight. :eek:

You didn't answer the last 7 times I posted about this because you lied once again. Blatantly, bald-faced lied. You should be ashamed, but I guess your flight pay loss for this type of "volunteering" takes away any shame.

I not only watched it, I posted it. You on the other hand, lied about what was in it in the hopes we would just believe you. The PowerPoint says NOTHING of what you claim. My reps tell me that the NMB said NOTHING close to what you claim. I've repeatedly asked you to post any evidence from the PowerPoint or from anyone who was in the room. You did nothing but slink away in the hopes people would forget about your shameful lie.

Yes they did. But that's not what you claimed. You claimed that the NMB "made it clear to us" that if we wanted to be tough (as defined by you I guess), the NMB was prepared to park us and make this a very long process. The NMB said NO SUCH THING.

Carl

FDX just posted an eye watering profit for last quarter. Good sign for the economy. Say it with me- There's no money in...

It this like arguing who was the more liberal Massachusetts Democrat, Kennedy or Frank?Really? REALLY?

Somehow if I crash the airplane on every maneuver I attempt, I've never gotten that kind of debrief.

To be fair, the context of those remarks by JM were in response to Leo's efforts to get a bailout from the Feds, which we got, in no small part due to his testimony before congress. He was a crappy airline CEO, was really only brought on board to merge DAL and UAL, but he did make the other CEOs look like hacks that day. Too bad he didn't use that big brain to actually run the operation.

Frank takes the prize.

Fly,

My quote was taken from the announcement that Mullin was leaving Delta. He had been fired.

Giving Mullin credit is like me crashing on every single maneuver and managing to get more sim time before Delta fired me. The Feds gave us another six months of life, as did B of A. Leo and Fred burned all of that, and in the process let Michelle fund such Delta marketing initiatives as a book tour of the writer of "Secrets of a Gay Marine Porn Star" and "youth Pride."


Was he evil and vindictive in the form of a Lorenzo? No, he was just greedy and incompetent.

Conservatively, Delta Connection cost us 25 Billion and a few thousand jobs. In all fairness, Malone should have let a furloughed Marine write Leo's love letter, without editing. IM(somewhat educated)O, Mullin set this Company on a course for bankruptcy reorganization as far back as 2001-2001. If you look back at his speeches, they were full of statements like "new cost paradigm" and he was saying "it does not matter what we spend, our competitors will match us." Worked great for Contract 2000, but a good case can be made that he never intended to honor that agreement in good faith.

Among our MEC Chairmen, Malone was probably one of the better ones. My comment was just contrasting the ridiculousness of the argument.

Having met both of them, I can't say I agree completely with you, but Leo did take a role nobody wanted after 9-11 and JM was right to acknowledge that. Yes, as I said, Leo was not brought here to run an airline. He got stuck with that job. Restructuring the industry ended up taking another 10 years.

Carl, Find my post where I said anything about being tough. By the way here is what my rep emailed me about the meeting. Go back and ask your reps if he is lying. Please note this was a open session. A friend in attendance confirmed essentially the same things.

At the open session brief with Linda Puchala, she told the MEC in a round about manner:


1. You are too big to strike.
2. Any representational questions (DPA) will lead to inaction and withdrawal on the NMB's part.
3. The Delta pilot group might make the appearance of progress down the path towards a release by the NMB, but at the end there are the two last steps.
A. If there is a PEB, the President will put you back to work.
B. After a PEB the Delta pilots might think that congress would never be able to act fast enough to put us back to work through legislation. Linda said, put that out of your mind. The legislation is written with the Delta pilot's name already filled in the blank.




This underscores the importance of making gains outside the normal Section 6 process

I'm not very good at public math, but my abacus says 4 years. Pretty close to 5, maybe an exagerration, but certainly not a lie.

Now Siri, my new best friend says APA has been negotiating since September of 2006. And Continental since the summer of 2007. Almost 5 years! Amazing!

Pinnacle and ASA both had negotiations of over 5 years if memory serves (too lazy to Siri it) which leads to a fairly good prediction that if we are going for restoration and serious scope clean up, (the latter of which I am a single issue voter on) it could easily be 5 years plus and then a lot of walking in circles.

Anyway, you should know how the process works, I don't know why I'm having to type this.

Yeah, I puckered hard! Hate to be standing in front of that accident board!