Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1156253)

Yeah, I puckered hard! Hate to be standing in front of that accident board!

Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1156253)

Yeah, I puckered hard! Hate to be standing in front of that accident board!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1156241)

Carl, Find my post where I said anything about being tough. By the way here is what my rep emailed me about the meeting. Go back and ask your reps if he is lying. Please note this was a open session. A friend in attendance confirmed essentially the same things.

At the open session brief with Linda Puchala, she told the MEC in a round about manner:


1. You are too big to strike.
2. Any representational questions (DPA) will lead to inaction and withdrawal on the NMB's part.
3. The Delta pilot group might make the appearance of progress down the path towards a release by the NMB, but at the end there are the two last steps.
A. If there is a PEB, the President will put you back to work.
B. After a PEB the Delta pilots might think that congress would never be able to act fast enough to put us back to work through legislation. Linda said, put that out of your mind. The legislation is written with the Delta pilot's name already filled in the blank.




This underscores the importance of making gains outside the normal Section 6 process

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1156003)

No shiznit!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1156241)

Find my post where I said anything about being tough.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143018)

I have been here a long time. I have never seen a contract completed less then 18 months past the amendable date and those were simple compared to this contract. The NMB gave a brief to the MEC in Jan. They put the powerpoint presentation on the website with some timeline information. Every pilot should review what the NMB put out. The history of pilot contracts over the last 15 years is easily available. Nothing has happened fast. Several contracts have exceeded 5 years.
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
His last talk at the LCA meeting he stressed improvements over time and discussed the AMR situation and what the union passed up at length. The implied message was obvious to every in attendance. If we want a 4, 4, 4, 4 contract with no change in other areas we can have it done close to the amendable date. I will not accept that type of contract and I doubt the majority of the pilot group will accept it.
This forum makes light of pilot costs as a issue in the success of the airline. I can assure you that management has a vastly different view. This is a brutal industry selling a commodity. When you sell a commodity you had better be priced within pennies of the competition or your not going to last. The gains this pilot group wants and deserves are not going to come easy or quick. Its going to be a long hard struggle over many years. To believe anything else is a fantasy.
A year ago I would have given us a much better chance of a quick contract. I thought AMR would get a deal done as well as UAL/CAL. It now appears they are both going no where fast or in the case of AMR no where good. A lot has changed. Prepare yourself for a long fight. Get set financially. If Delta does not meet your needs and you have better options now I would jump all over that. I will hopefully only be around another 3 years. I am about done with my career and I don't want another flying job. I don't understand why the younger pilots on this forum are sticking around if they even believe half of what they post and hate the job and Delta as much as they say.