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Listening to investor call..Bastian just said 50 seat RJ's are not liked by company, passengers or employees..Changes are coming in the coming weeks...
Keep our fingers crossed, we'll see

80ktsClamp

03-13-2012 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kamsman (Post 1150868)

Listening to investor call..Bastian just said 50 seat RJ's are not liked by company, passengers or employees..Changes are coming in the coming weeks...
Keep our fingers crossed, we'll see

There is certainly a place for them... Just not as many as there are.

kamsman

03-13-2012 06:07 AM

Bastian was just asked about Southwest 717's and said no comment ( no options are off the table )

Carl Spackler

03-13-2012 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1150834)

The arguement for SWA's shortcall and greater days off should not be done in a vacume. If the arguement is FOR the whole SWA contract, there goes along with it other "benefits" like premium pay out of some open time, higher credit for days, fewer plane changes, reserve access to open time, etc. SWA PAYS for efficiency.

There is no arguement FOR 14 days of shortcall without the rest of the package - including their scope clause.

As has been pointed out, DAL reserve can be pretty painful if the category is shortmanned. If you haven't experienced that, you will at some point if you are on reserve. DAL can make it so you get NO days on the lake except your laundry days between trip pieces while you dont break guarantee.

You saved me a lot of typing. Thanks scambo!

Carl

Carl Spackler

03-13-2012 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1150837)

that's a good point, it has to be all of the above if at all.

And if that happens, then the scope clause has to come with it. It's a nonstarter if it doesn't. And I don't mean a take back or % reduction in DCI, I mean SWA scope.

0 outsourcing.

so while yes we would be incredibly overstaffed with the new rules, maybe the new flying would take care of that to the positive.

Exactamundo!

Carl

tsquare

03-13-2012 06:16 AM

Or how about THIS?

Carl Spackler

03-13-2012 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1150858)

I do not think I would like to give up this particular part of the contract in order to get SWA scope... I will have to think on it a little more, but on first blush, it seems too ripe for abuse by skeds. I definitely want nothing to do with 14 SC days. That is too high a price.

T...you have to think on this more. SWAPA's scope doesn't allow for ANY domestic flying to occur by anyone but a SWAPA seniority list pilot. That would mean our pilots would be flying over twice the amount of domestic flying we do now because we currently outsource over half of our domestic flying. That increase in flying would create such a massive wave of upgrades that nobody currently on our list would have to be on reserve unless they chose to be.

Be reasonable. I'll start posting Gator football pictures if you don't rethink your position!!

Carl

FIIGMO

03-13-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kamsman (Post 1150872)

Bastian was just asked about Southwest 717's and said no comment ( no options are off the table )

Hmmmm, since SWA screwed the airtran guys into signing. Does this mean that if we get a deal on the 717's that no pilots will come with them? How many 737 will we give up to make the deal happen? No more 50 seat RJS, cant have any more 70 and 76 seat either huh?

Somehow I feel this is not going to workout they way I hope.:mad:

Just sayin

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