I can think of a couple places out in the desert or as a PBR can....;)

OK I agree. but I think that we should pay for the dying part with the pay increases that would be realized in the 747/777 community. Since you have a retirement, you can live on what you made last year. Don't spend MY pay raise on something that is going away anyway.

Maybe we could all do that? Hold our breath until scope changes.

The crewroom would look like Jones Town and still nothing would change.

But hiring would begin.

Wow. Jeffrey sure does love the 787. Talking like its gonna be the key to United's future.

And it is the "constructive engagement" types that refuse to concede that it has failed. They look the other way when our management rammed the truck through our scope loophole for the RAH scope violation. They look the other way when our management outsources over 90% of the LGA slots we fought hard to win. They look the other way when our management now fights to REMOVE the existing crew rest area on the A330 and want to put pilots in pax seats for their crew rest.

Constructive engagement describes the relationship at SWA with SWAPA where positive results are gained through MUTUAL respect. Our relationship is one of a poor sucker being scammed by a smooth talker who whispers in your ear: "You're a new style of union leadership."

Carl

Constructive engagement has not failed. Would you rather have our contract.. or USair's... or UCal's... The only place where it has failed is where it didn't allow you to give management a bloody nose.

As far as the LGA slot swap: None of us paid any attention. Had we done so, we would have realized that all USA did with those slots was exactly what DAL is/was proposing to do with them. RJ flying. Nothing changed except the livery. I admit that I got caught up in the euphoria too. I would hope that we all learned our lessons though, and that if those routes do not eventually grow to mainline that we will not be on board with management's pet projects. that doesn't mean that we have to hold our breath and wait for some leverage to come our way whereby we can bend management over the barrel however. I still believe we will be vastly more successful by cooperating than being obstinate. that being said:

what is YOUR solution then? How are we gonna get the things you want?

They are still hiring. They will trade them out 1-1 when they do park them, not if. They have already stated that Boeing will either take them back and find someone to lease them to, or they will pay the leases and park them.

Yeah hes bragging it up. That aircraft at United will likely either be an anchor holding them down (ie plastic airplane that keeps on breaking) or launching them ahead of Delta as they deploy its frequency globally to places we may not be able to reach with our fleet (long, thin routes). All things behing equal (ie price and frequency) pax may fly United just to experience the 787 as opposed to our warmed over 76es. Time will tell. Not to worry, we get some in 8 years.:o

I have a friend who has actually sat in a 787. She is not an aviation person. She just got a tour of the jet. Not even a flight.
All she could talk about was the windows. She said the windows are going to be a game changer. People will fly 787s just to look out the window.

FWIW.

There may be some that go for the 787 for the novelty, but most can't even tell the difference, and will go for the one that saves them 10 bucks so they can get two more venti latte's.