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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1156440)
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1156444)
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you do not get anything if you aren't moving. Try a PD or trading days off. :(
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1156399)
Gloopy, imo, and to be a little clearer,; The bandwidth gets a lot tighter on the company's side, not ours. No red herring there. If they want to move on anything, it behooves them to have us locked in. Whether that is AMR, airlines in Oneworld, or something else, the closer that AMR gets to restructuring, the tighter the timeline gets for the company. The of course could decide to go ahead without pilot support, but, as we have seen that is a huge risk for what, thus far has been a very successful integration and post CH11 airline.
We have a chance to be a very well run survivor but for that to happen, our corporate leadership has to put down the "playbook" and run an airline to win, long term, which is arguably almost a lost art among their class and craft. We'll see. In either case I agree that we have some leverage for the next round of consolidation, which will occur regardless of what happens at AMR (although I think they will merge with all or parts of US and/or B6 and maybe AS but that's just my guess). |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1156411)
Just my IMHO..... but I like a longevity/seat based model for retro.... It benefits all pilots equally (in proportion) and does not reward the "extra-time-flying-company-friendly helpers" that pick up lots of extra during the amendable period to get a higher retro check....
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1156454)
Got ya. Regardless of the level of cuts at AA and their long term viability, there is going to be more consolidation and that consolidation is going to help the industry...at least for a while (likely a few more years) before the lines of legacy "capacity dicipline" and massive LCC fantasy order books cross. At that point there will be winners and there will be losers, and there will be airlines flying today that won't be flying just a few years from now, with or without more mergers.
We have a chance to be a very well run survivor but for that to happen, our corporate leadership has to put down the "playbook" and run an airline to win, long term, which is arguably almost a lost art among their class and craft. We'll see. In either case I agree that we have some leverage for the next round of consolidation, which will occur regardless of what happens at AMR (although I think they will merge with all or parts of US and/or B6 and maybe AS but that's just my guess). . |
Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1156440)
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1156440)
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
My take away is; What does the company need that we have that creates leverage? (besides cooperation) |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1156459)
When I was reading it I was slowly developing the same face as Andrew W.K. (well written, just loooonnnnggg).
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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1156440)
That was a long c54 post....so did I read so fast I skimmed over the scope part?
I don't really like that scope wasn't mentioned, but this is the tactic we've chosen to pursue for now. Needless to say, its excellent timing to remind our reps that under no circumstance will scope be sold or bargained downward and in fact we expect significant positive improvements by reducing allowable outsourcing at all levels. |
Bacon, set transponder 666 and IDENT......
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