Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1185974)

You make one little tpyo and everyone ignores your perfectly rational thought.

I'm waiting for someone to say they're going to hold their breath for top end scope improvements.

It's in the contract survey results. What you asked for many moons ago is what is rationally being negotiated now. While I have the utmost faith that you all made the following, and only the following demands, your barraging your reps with emails just NOW demanding massive scope improvements is probably only serving to muddy the waters for the NC. I can see it now "Umm TO. That's not what the survey results said. They said they just want to fly them for PNCL when they get furloughed".

Demands List:
1) Every RJ flown by a Delta hired pilot (notice I said hired - not merged/flowed/integrated)
2) My pay today plus 40% tomorrow.

If anything, the possibility of expedited negotiations existed because the company saw our pithy "yes-man" demands from the actual survey and while laughing inside concocted a brilliant scheme to bait us into rapidly paced negotiations to prevent everyone from jumping on the flavor of the week contract negotiating band wagon which only serves to bog things down. You filled out the survey. You did so with the thought in mind that you were getting yours. Bet none of you filled it out like I did. With the thought that some day Delta Air Lines would be a place I'd like my son or daughter to work as a pilot.

So I hope - sincerely hope - that all you lurkers out there filled out your contract survey with something more creative than more laundry money and screw reserves. Because unfortunately, other than the 22.5% you probably asked for and access to the junior left seat of an RJ, I think we've seen all we'll see this round.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1185992)

what's the best measurement for small end scope gain or loss? I feel like plane count is the best metric, why go with something else?

Originally Posted by scambo1

Timbo do you have a new screen name.

Epistle means letter, Apostle might be what you're looking for.

I haven't got a clue whats going on at other forums, the DALPA forum reminds me of a ladies sewing circle (no offense ladies) people who will type any soundbyte for any reaction - useless.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1186000)

Whats that supposed to mean? I know what an epistle is. There was nothing biblical about my post.. Quit trying to identify me as a martyr. I've been known to have that tendency.

And I don't go on the DALPA forums. It's like herding cats. And I certainly don't go on the DPA website either. Its like going to a product review website modded by the manufacturer.

Think this is more useful?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1185990)

Timbo do you have a new screen name.

Epistle means letter, Apostle might be what you're looking for.

I haven't got a clue whats going on at other forums, the DALPA forum reminds me of a ladies sewing circle (no offense ladies) people who will type any soundbyte for any reaction - useless.

Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 1185785)

I completely agree with you Carl. I'm in a demographic that has seen long stagnation. I've lost my pension, so the only way to recover from my furlough and the loss of my pension is to get my career earnings up. How do I do that? Move to the left seat! It's quite simple and I'm not going to make it more complicated than it needs to be. Anything that delays my upgrade is a no vote from me. Things are going to start moving very fast around here and I don't want to feel in a couple of years that we left something on the table.

Leadership. Last decade was terrible for the legacy pilots. Now the regional pilots are getting hammered. Let's restore our contract and get this scope issue straightened out. It all has to play out. There will be winners and losers. There are pilots at the regionals that have no ambition to move onto the Majors and that's fine, but I'm not going to have a hand in larger or more RJ's winding up at regionals. What I would like to see when I walk out the door of Delta Air Lines is that in some small part we all helped restore this career. If I'm going to belong to a National Union, I want a better vision of what an Airline Pilots career should look like. I had a ALPA LEC tell me last year that is not ALPA's job. Well, I disagree and if we can't do a better job, then perhaps we shouldn't belong to a National Union. This is ALPA's chance to set thing right.

So Carl, I've shown my hand. I look at life through my John Lennon rose colored glasses because I chose to. I told you, I'm a lover, not a fighter.... but I'm no dove and not afraid to pull my sword out of it's scabbard when needed, and certainly not afraid to vote down an unacceptable TA.

TC

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

what's the best measurement for small end scope gain or loss? I feel like plane count is the best metric, why go with something else?

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1185991)

More important than what is in the TA is how is it written. What is the language and the fine print? How strong or weak is it?

Cases in point. Look at the one way check valves currently for RJ's as it is hard to remove them once they are added.

Republic?

3 year look back on JV?... (oh yeah, our MEC Chairman gave that to the company in an MOU, with a nice little ribbon on it too!)

Get the point. We all really have to dive into the details when the document gets here. I believe that we get 60 days to decide WITH the final language available to us.

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1185973)

How many TA's in the last 20 years at NWA/DAL have not made it past the respective MEC's?

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1185929)

Hey Carl,

Just to be clear. Are you talking about converting all 255 aircraft to 76 seaters (crj 900/emb 175) or adding additional 64/69/76 seaters (CRM 700, 900, emb 170, 175) to the 255 count? Both options suck but the latter sucks da mostest!

Hoserpilot