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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1185966)
Personal opinion here, and I agree with your characterization of the NN. If the TA read like the NN read, we would never see it, it wouldn't leave the MEC.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1185966)
Personal opinion here, and I agree with your characterization of the NN. If the TA read like the NN read, we would never see it, it wouldn't leave the MEC.
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Originally Posted by dalad
Everybodt needs to sit back and take a deep breath. We have not seen anything yet that is final. I want to wait and see the TA, then we can look at it in its entirety.
I'm waiting for someone to say they're going to hold their breath for top end scope improvements. It's in the contract survey results. What you asked for many moons ago is what is rationally being negotiated now. While I have the utmost faith that you all made the following, and only the following demands, your barraging your reps with emails just NOW demanding massive scope improvements is probably only serving to muddy the waters for the NC. I can see it now "Umm TO. That's not what the survey results said. They said they just want to fly them for PNCL when they get furloughed". Demands List: 1) Every RJ flown by a Delta hired pilot (notice I said hired - not merged/flowed/integrated) 2) My pay today plus 40% tomorrow. If anything, the possibility of expedited negotiations existed because the company saw our pithy "yes-man" demands from the actual survey and while laughing inside concocted a brilliant scheme to bait us into rapidly paced negotiations to prevent everyone from jumping on the flavor of the week contract negotiating band wagon which only serves to bog things down. You filled out the survey. You did so with the thought in mind that you were getting yours. Bet none of you filled it out like I did. With the thought that some day Delta Air Lines would be a place I'd like my son or daughter to work as a pilot. So I hope - sincerely hope - that all you lurkers out there filled out your contract survey with something more creative than more laundry money and screw reserves. Because unfortunately, other than the 22.5% you probably asked for and access to the junior left seat of an RJ, I think we've seen all we'll see this round. |
Originally Posted by boog123
(Post 1185973)
How many TA's in the last 20 years at NWA/DAL have not made it past the respective MEC's?
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1185974)
You make one little tpyo and everyone ignores your perfectly rational thought.
I'm waiting for someone to say they're going to hold their breath for top end scope improvements. It's in the contract survey results. What you asked for many moons ago is what is rationally being negotiated now. While I have the utmost faith that you all made the following, and only the following demands, your barraging your reps with emails just NOW demanding massive scope improvements is probably only serving to muddy the waters for the NC. I can see it now "Umm TO. That's not what the survey results said. They said they just want to fly them for PNCL when they get furloughed". Demands List: 1) Every RJ flown by a Delta hired pilot (notice I said hired - not merged/flowed/integrated) 2) My pay today plus 40% tomorrow. If anything, the possibility of expedited negotiations existed because the company saw our pithy "yes-man" demands from the actual survey and while laughing inside concocted a brilliant scheme to bait us into rapidly paced negotiations to prevent everyone from jumping on the flavor of the week contract negotiating band wagon which only serves to bog things down. You filled out the survey. You did so with the thought in mind that you were getting yours. Bet none of you filled it out like I did. With the thought that some day Delta Air Lines would be a place I'd like my son or daughter to work as a pilot. So I hope - sincerely hope - that all you lurkers out there filled out your contract survey with something more creative than more laundry money and screw reserves. Because unfortunately, other than the 22.5% you probably asked for and access to the junior left seat of an RJ, I think we've seen all we'll see this round. exactly who was your target audience with this epistle? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
SJ; exactly who was your target audience with this epistle? And calling it an epistle is far too kind a gesture for someone that's going straight to H E double hockey sticks like me. |
Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1185983)
Anyone who selfishly and nonchalantly filled out their contract survey then suddenly changed their mind when they read the growing storms of scope recapture demands brewing in the forums.
And calling it an epistle is far too kind a gesture for someone that's going straight to H E double hockey sticks like me. Epistle means letter, Apostle might be what you're looking for. I haven't got a clue whats going on at other forums, the DALPA forum reminds me of a ladies sewing circle (no offense ladies) people who will type any soundbyte for any reaction - useless. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1185967)
A lot, like the agreement in whole. I did not like the NNP but also will wait to see the entire TA before I fully analyze it and state the pros and cons.
More important than what is in the TA is how is it written. What is the language and the fine print? How strong or weak is it? Cases in point. Look at the one way check valves currently for RJ's as it is hard to remove them once they are added. Republic? 3 year look back on JV?... (oh yeah, our MEC Chairman gave that to the company in an MOU, with a nice little ribbon on it too!) Get the point. We all really have to dive into the details when the document gets here. I believe that we get 60 days to decide WITH the final language available to us. |
what's the best measurement for small end scope gain or loss? I feel like plane count is the best metric, why go with something else?
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