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Just an aside, for all of you guys *****ing about the new reserve rules. I ran into the #1 CA in LA today in the lounge. He bid reserve to essentially take the month off. He was on his second day of back to back SCs...and he commutes. So much for the senior guys getting over.

Give it a few months and see how it plays out. He didn't think it was so seniority friendly.

Back to your normal channel.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1133127)

So true.. I don't see much of a change with the new bucket system. hockeypilot will be hockey pilot and will complain if he won the lottery on how it was 100 million and not 130 million.

The seniority based short call I think will be a more noticable change for us reserve lifers.

Other than that it's life as usual and fly when called or do my best to grow something reminiscent of General Burnside. Same ol same ol.

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1133067)

You can drink them pretty or you can drink them rich.

She was fairly hot too though. Like sober hot.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1133127)

So much for the senior guys getting over.

He didn't think it was so seniority friendly.

Well it IS LA. :D

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1133056)

Sorry, but you need to be over 30 and have some mil experience to understand the Jeremiah. :)

Well, meet half the criteria. :D Plus, I don't drink it. I'm more of a Gentleman Jack or Woodford kind of guy.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1133127)

Just an aside, for all of you guys *****ing ....

Much has been made of the whining about displacements and reserve on the L&G thread lately. From Alpha's arrogance, to Nu's admonishment, to Sailing's explanations to Capt. Carl's condolences.

Scientists observed that when exposed to pain, people in all cultures cursed and wined. Further study demonstrated that people who cussed the most were able to endure a greater level of pain than those told to exclaim random non curse, non complaints.

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Originally Posted by A Neuro-Psycho-Social Theory of Speech

Although a common pain response, whether swearing alters individuals' experience of pain has not been investigated. This study investigated whether swearing affects cold-pressor pain tolerance (the ability to withstand immersing the hand in icy water), pain perception and heart rate. In a repeated measures design, pain outcomes were assessed in participants asked to repeat a swear word versus a neutral word. In addition, sex differences and the roles of pain catastrophising, fear of pain and trait anxiety were explored. Swearing increased pain tolerance, increased heart rate and decreased perceived pain compared with not swearing. However, swearing did not increase pain tolerance in males with a tendency to catastrophise. The observed pain-lessening (hypoalgesic) effect may occur because swearing induces a fight-or-flight response and nullifies the link between fear of pain and pain perception.

Since the terms of service of this web site prohibit the use of the healthiest language to describe (and endure) the pain of four displacements, we should adopt a science based approach to griping, whining and moaning and encourage cathartic outbursts. Might even encourage this at the "We're making a ton of money and displacing your butt, 2012" management road show. "Here's a check for 4.8%, enjoy your 15% displacement pay cut, doesn't my hair look good :D"

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I ran into the #1 CA in LA today in the lounge. He bid reserve to essentially take the month off. He was on his second day of back to back SCs...and he commutes. So much for the senior guys getting over.

Give it a few months and see how it plays out. He didn't think it was so seniority friendly.

It seems to me that the issue with the current reserve system is its lack of predictability. The flexibility of schedulers to use us is detrimental to our ability to guess our short term futures. Making seniority the number one denominator in the reserve system fixes this so long as we can access the information and it is completely transparent. I do think it will improve but only a step at a time because scheduling is not going to give up all its perceived flexibility at once. I'm going to wait it out before I place judgement.

On another note, as a commuter, I don't think I would ever voluntarily bid reserve.

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Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1133126)

First, I was being sarcastic. Second, isn't the part that I bolded pertain to a fair amount of those complaining about the new rules for reserve? Also, somebody has to be junior. I have also been consistently moving backwards in my seat and base. I understand what it is like to be the junior guy (I wore the red hat at the fNWA). Our entire system is built on seniority. Frankly, reserve should be a system whereby if there is one pilot junior to you that can do any of the trip, it should go to the most junior up until they time out.

Also, it is my understanding that the company and ALPA can change the bucket values on a monthly basis and this new process is only two weeks old. I am junior on my equipment and junior system wide so I get it. It sucks being junior but there are a few thousand pilots out there that wish they could be the junior guy/gal dealing with our issues. And no, I am not saying that we shouldnt voice our discontent or objections, but I just think it has been a little over the top lately.

Sorry you feel that it's "been over the top", but that's just a reflection of how unpopular the bucket values are. I hear the justification being made that the majority wanted seniority restored; OK, yes, I think we can all agree with that, but was that (those inputs) considered "over the top."? I guess some voices calling for a change are welcomed and considered valued. But a call for tweaking the buckets (as we've been told they're open to tweaking) and that's over the top? If you don't voice it then silence is consent. We're talking about people being on the lowest equipment and on reserve for six to eight years (four have since passed). Simply voicing that we adjust what was said adjustable, yet some don't like the thought of junior pilots exercising that right. I'm glad to report my reps don't feel that. While they aren't ready to recommend a change yet, they were receptive to my input.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1133127)

Again, love the way you refer to it Buzz when suggestions are made to adjust what is said to be adjustable.

I can just see the solution for this: we need to hire more pilots so we have enough reserves to 1.) Cover trips 2.) Cover SCs 3.) Allow senior pilots to not be called out on a trip or SC.

I'd love to see hiring, but I don't think this one will pass muster.

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Originally Posted by Nopac (Post 1133110)

Haha!

Well, if you're gonna be up there for 19 hours, you might as well have some fun.
It must have been flown by a former Air Force pilot, though- Writing the company logo probably seemed like a "neat idea."
Had a Navy guy been at the controls we'd be looking at a two-thousand mile long phallus...

Actually this was done by Gulfstream several years ago...Boeing just copied them!!

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