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CAAC ATP 02-10-2012 06:15 PM

Unless, you're forced by the aggressor to say, "I love crepes."

Herkflyr 02-10-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1133026)
Hey, I feel for you, but that's not my fight. And honestly, in your case it sounds more like a product of the equipment you desire to fly vs the equipment you could fly but with a better schedule. If it's sarcasm then OK, but sarcasm doesn't offer a reasoned and thought out counter to what I brought up. But maybe that's all there is for a rebuttal. That and seniority first and foremost above all else, no matter how it harms a fellow pilot.

You're killing me man. Of course it was sarcasm. I honestly don't see what you are *****ing about. The new reserve system (that you don't like) still honors senior pilots far less than the old, old (pre-BK) system that guys still wax poetic about.

The three-part bottom line is this:

1. This new system was created because that is what the pilots told their LEC reps, and thus the negotiators--over and over--that this is what they wanted. Do you fault the union for working out a new system with the company that reflects the "will of the pilot?"

2. This system honors more of a senior pilot's desires, more of the time--not all of his preferences all the time.

3. This system has been in place all of two weeks. As with any new process, there will be some growing pains, some unanticipated results, some tweaking of things for future iterations...so give it a month or two already before you shoot first and ask questions later.



And last, let's say for the sake of discussion you read the following: "due to pilot feedback, we are ceasing the RAW 'bucket' system and going back to all the reserve rules that were in place prior to the February bid period.

How do you think that would go over?

I'm reminded of the time a few years ago when I flew with the senior VP of Flight Ops. He was telling me that the complaining from the NYC-based pilots about the number of trips originating in EWR got so loud that crew resources was directed to greatly reduce the number of EWR-based trips (for non-DAL types, "NYC" based pilots can have trips built that start in EWR, LGA, or JFK: they are responsible for covering trips for all three airports). So what happened then? All the pilots who lived in Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania started bombarding the company with complaints!

No matter what the company or union does, there will always be naysayers.

Bill Lumberg 02-10-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1133015)
As a junior line holder I think it is bs that I can only hold 5 day trips. I live in base and would really like to do turns however due to this bs seniority system, I will never be able to hold turns. That is crap and even though I am junior, I should at at least be able to get some day turns, right?



Um, No. Look at MSP. The top 20 Captains and top 20 FOs get the turns to LAX and RSW from MSP on the ER. On the MD90, the top 10 of each get SAN turns. They love MSP, they are family oriented, and the FOs could have upgraded years ago. You just have to move to another base to get the same deal. Some people fly for the QOL and insurance the job brings, and maybe their spouse is the bread winner.

Columbia 02-10-2012 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1132995)
And hopefully a fist full of drink! Is Jerimiah calling your name?

Sorry, but you need to be over 30 and have some mil experience to understand the Jeremiah. :)

PilotFrog 02-10-2012 06:48 PM

Not only have the new reserve rules only been in place 2 weeks, NOT ALL the new rules are in place yet.

gloopy 02-10-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1133043)
Um, No. Look at MSP. The top 20 Captains and top 20 FOs get the turns to LAX and RSW from MSP on the ER. On the MD90, the top 10 of each get SAN turns. They love MSP, they are family oriented, and the FOs could have upgraded years ago. You just have to move to another base to get the same deal. Some people fly for the QOL and insurance the job brings, and maybe their spouse is the bread winner.

A friend of mine married a rich girl. I was at a cookout on his back deck and someone else brought it up and my friend looks around to make sure no one was listening and he says "my daddy told me, son, its a heck of a lot easier to marry a million bucks than it is to make it".

Don't h8 da playa.

crewdawg52 02-10-2012 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1133015)
As a junior line holder I think it is bs that I can only hold 5 day trips. I live in base and would really like to do turns however due to this bs seniority system, I will never be able to hold turns. That is crap and even though I am junior, I should at at least be able to get some day turns, right?

And your justification is.............. you live in base, so you get preference over senior guys who commute and want those trips, or guys senior to you who live in base and want those trips.

Bid the 9 or 88 then.

Columbia 02-10-2012 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1133060)
A friend of mine married a rich girl. I was at a cookout on his back deck and someone else brought it up and my friend looks around to make sure no one was listening and he says "my daddy told me, son, its a heck of a lot easier to marry a million bucks than it is to make it".

Don't h8 da playa.

You can drink them pretty or you can drink them rich.

scambo1 02-10-2012 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1133067)
You can drink them pretty or you can drink them rich.

I think it is: You can drink them pretty, but you can't drink them rich.

If you drink soju, you can drink yourself rich. I think it is the 2nd stage. 1. I am handsome. 2. I am rich 3. I am invisible. Timbo, don't try to get to stage 3 next month, because you are not really invisible.

chuck416 02-10-2012 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1133060)
A friend of mine married a rich girl. I was at a cookout on his back deck and someone else brought it up and my friend looks around to make sure no one was listening and he says "my daddy told me, son, its a heck of a lot easier to marry a million bucks than it is to make it".

Don't h8 da playa.

While that may be true, as a general rule, NO man works harder for his money, than the man who married it....


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