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Since we (DALPA) didn't go after RAH, I don't really see anything in our current contract that stops management from re-fleeting off the reservation and then domestic codesharing.

The only thing we have going for us is control of the parking brake, 2 engine taxi, apu extended run, requesting back of the line for de-icing, more turns in holding followed by a divert, etc. but those would be stopped by injunction.

It is either in good faith or it isn't.

Well...if you're going to do the 'cupped hand' you need to be sure to hold your hand up high enough, that it's not construed as 'turn your head and cough...' or you may end up with a new friend you didn't need. :eek:

And about that other picture: "Here honey, let me reset those circuit breakers for you."

Sincere question? Of course I have. I have been around here for several contracts, and I have learned that any conclusions drawn based on summaries or bullet points provided before a TA is reached are misguided at best and often just plain wrong. The devil is always in the details. There is an awful lot of chest thumping going on around here and not nearly enough information to back it up. My favorite is "Not one more 76-seat jet or I vote NO!" Our scope is full of some really ugly loopholes regarding codeshare and jets below 70 seats. We sell seats on some international airlines most people have never even heard of. Alaska has taken away most of our west coast flying. Our company has pumped $100 million into Gol Airlines. I'm not making any decisions until I see what has IMPROVED in Section 1. Personally I would be willing to consider an increase in the number of 76-seaters within the 255 70+ seat total in exchange for meaningful enforceable restrictions on codeshare and permanent phaseout of ALL RJ's (and turboprops) other than those 255. You notice I said "consider." I don't have enough information to make that decision yet, and neither does anyone else.

proposal, if section 1 should be stand alone, then let's have two ta's... section 1 first, we'll vote on it, then sections 2-28 and we'll vote on that.

that way nobody is swayed about section 1 because of section 3 or what have you.

While you and I might like that, I doubt the Company wants any part of it. Scope and Pay, is their 'trade bait' for the other 27 sections, take that out of the mix and they don't have much to 'bargin' with.

Yes. The NNP sucked. Not good and all of us here pretty much agree on that as many have voiced that opinion.

However, there are several ways to look at the NNP. Consider this one, the application of pressure. Just as the company will selectively leak rumors and send up trial ballons to manage our expectations, the same tactics can be used by DALPA.

Releasing a NNP that that will ellicit a known response that will send a message to the "top decison makers" at the table is a good tool. By dissecting the NNP, we basically determine that it is a floating turd that will not flush no matter how hard they try to get us to swallow it. In this section 6, the first real one done in the the accelerated information age we are in, the response to NNP is lightning quick and likely has been received by all parties at the table.

A warning shot of sorts.

I will wait to see the final document with the final language. Not a summary.

I am also sure that within 24 hours after it is out:

1. we will completely discontstruct it, reverse engineer it, and list the good, the bad and the ugly. No need for a con paper really.

2. the spin machine will be at an rpm like we have never seen.

Isn't social media great? It is going to make this one wild and different ride like we haven't seen before. It also makes those parties doing the negotiating nervous. Just as much as the internet, instant information, and social media are a tool to be used, they can cut the other way and damage you as well.

Arab Spring anyone??

While I agree that can be a tactic, I don't think it's at play here. Remember the NNP said, "The many items detailed in this Notepad have been agreed to in principle." (emphasis mine) I'm guessing the negotiators have been surprised by our response to the NNP.

With the extreme 'flexibility" DL likes to operate all of DCI with, are all (much less any) DCI carrier schedules fully loaded into the fall master schedule yet? Comair could very well be last anyway because of their dysfunctional role as DCI's accumulator and last minute lift provider of last resort.

If they are truly not on the schedule but everyone else is, it would be eazy to verify the implied rumor by looking at which DCI carrier suddenly grew at least by the amout of 27 CRJ70-76 seaters at Comair, and probably at least some of the 100 CRJ50 seaters as well, though probably not most or all.

So if the fall schedule is fully loaded but Comair has nothing, which DCI carrier(s) are suddenly up by 29 large CRJ's and maybe a few 50's?

Hedgerow.
 

How bout this? "One Click...is to be answered by, Two Clicks".

I like it. A lot. But like Timbo says, the company would object to it, although they really wouldn't have a say. We could still do it that way once a TA is reached as a matter of internal DALPA procedure and there isn't a thing the company could do about it.

DALPA, OTOH, would be more ojbected to it than the company because the TA is their baby and the mantra chanted faithfully through the monastery thus far has been "judge in its entirety". While its sometimes said scope needs to stand on its own, there is no way it will be allowed to literally do so.