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tsquare 03-13-2012 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1151021)
Nope, he's a LCA. I've flown with him. Good captain and a fun guy on the layover, but way too much Tennessee bling.

Damn I hate being at a disadvantage. I gotta get a new screen name. :o But thank you for the compliment.

gloopy 03-13-2012 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1150886)
Hmmmm, since SWA screwed the airtran guys into signing. Does this mean that if we get a deal on the 717's that no pilots will come with them?

I don't think so. Although that would depend on the SWA merger and fragmentation language, I doubt that any pilot group would have language so strong that it would require pilots be given the opportunity to slide on over to another list with the number of 717's SWA has compared to their over all fleet count. I think the 71's are around 10-15% of the fleet, and I've never seen a fragmentation clause that covered that.

The pilots shouldn't come with the planes in any case because SWA has ordered more than enough 737's to replace the 717's that would be leaving, even assuming DL got every single one of them. Will our pilots get to slide on over to the SWA list if some of "our" 737's are involved in a trade? No way and everyone knows it.

There is absolutely no reason for pilots to come with the planes in this situation other than to save our management money in training costs. Yet even those savings would be extemely limited since it would be a new category (or two or more, depending on basing) that would cause a list wide mass re-bid in either case. A slight savings in training costs is not justification to re-do our seniority list and eat even more stagnation.

Besides, even if we get the planes, and even if we get all of them, its pretty obvious that at least some would be replacement jets anyway.

gloopy 03-13-2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1151024)
Which, despite the popular misconception, had nothing to do with the windows the passengers could see through. There were other "windows" for antennas which were internally mounted to avoid their parasitic drag.

The fuselages failed at an escape hatch and a joint where a box had been inserted to internally mount an antenna. The skin was cut too close to the side of the box instead of having the proper overlap. The fact they were running the thing at 8.25 PSI had a lot to do with the failure as well.

The 787 will run higher pressures, have much larger windows and be made from plastic and paper mache.

From what I've seen so far, the 787 is in a lukewarm transition phase. I wouldn't call it anywhere near a "game changer". While we *might* leave some efficiency on the table over the next few years on a few routes (where the 787 actually wins in total cost compared to existing airframes) there is a significant advantage in waiting for the −800 to get the bugs worked out and the −900 to become even better with a significantly lower CASM. Not to mention we'll be in the driver's seat by then being able to choose between that and the A350, hopefully with its bugs worked out as well.

Bill Lumberg 03-13-2012 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1150996)
And AS pulled out of SEA MIA and instead of codesharing, AMR will fly that route themselves now...

Cheers
George

They swapped MIA for FLL, which pulls passengers in from the PBI area too. Better for their 1 daily flight, and cruises also leave out of FLL. (not only port of MIA)

Bill Lumberg 03-13-2012 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1151064)
I don't think so. Although that would depend on the SWA merger and fragmentation language, I doubt that any pilot group would have language so strong that it would require pilots be given the opportunity to slide on over to another list with the number of 717's SWA has compared to their over all fleet count. I think the 71's are around 10-15% of the fleet, and I've never seen a fragmentation clause that covered that.

The pilots shouldn't come with the planes in any case because SWA has ordered more than enough 737's to replace the 717's that would be leaving, even assuming DL got every single one of them. Will our pilots get to slide on over to the SWA list if some of "our" 737's are involved in
a trade? No way and everyone knows it.

There is absolutely no reason for pilots to come with the planes in this situation other than to save our management money in training costs. Yet
even those savings would be extemely limited since it would be a new category (or two or more, depending on basing) that would cause a list wide mass re-bid in either case. A slight savings in training costs is not justification to re-do our seniority list and eat even more stagnation.

Besides, even if we get the planes, and even if we get all of them, its pretty obvious that at least some would be replacement jets anyway.


I did hear this at recurrent about 6 weeks ago. The guy told me the instructors were "asked" if they thought they could handle 1000 newhires. Just "asked."

georgetg 03-13-2012 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1151077)
They swapped MIA for FLL, which pulls passengers in from the PBI area too. Better for their 1 daily flight, and cruises also leave out of FLL. (not only port of MIA)

AS and AMR have been reducing their codeshare routes contrary to the AMR position in BK court that they need to expand the AS code to be competitive...

Cheers
George

georgetg 03-13-2012 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1151025)
Didn't mean any insult... sorry if it came across that way... really.

Dude, it's all good!

Cheers
George

acl65pilot 03-13-2012 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1151081)
AS and AMR have been reducing their codeshare routes contrary to the AMR position in BK court that they need to expand the AS code to be competitive...

Cheers
George

Getting rid of overlap. Seems they are doing this with B6 and ALK. Might be LCC that is left in the cold. Ugh.

newKnow 03-13-2012 12:47 PM

Um humm. Does anyone think it's strange that first this:


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1150860)
I really like how efficiently the 737-800 could carry a load a long ways. The LCD PFD and ND were fantasic as well.

HOW BOUT THEM APPLES??

Then this....


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1151006)
Oh oh,
http://db.tt/sSrJCa1k
No pilots were anywhere near this jet when this happened at the TOC.

Cheers
George


80, I was just kidding. Maybe hell didn't freeze over, but obviously something in the universe went terribly wrong. I'll buy you a beer of you don't compliment the 737 anymore. There are only so may airplanes Delta flies. :D

Elliot 03-13-2012 01:03 PM

It's 5:02p Atlanta time!!

Where's the opener?:D

GJ


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