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RockyBoy 12-29-2011 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1109239)
No, they weren't. The reason housing prices collapsed is because banks lent money to people who promised to pay it back. Too many people didn't keep their promise and walked away. When they did so they didn't screw the banks, they screwed the rest of us who do pay their bills and keep their promises. Now you offer this website as an example of how to walk away from your mortgage. Is anyone surprised now that banks don't want to lend?

Carl

EXACTLY!! Banks let it happen, but idiots who knew they couldn't afford stuff still bought it and promised to pay for it.

Same idiots are now not paying what they owe on their credit cards and crying about how they can't afford the payments. I can afford my payments because I don't buy stuff I can't afford, not because I'm employed and have a descent job. If I became unemployed tomorrow I could still make all my payments. People in America need to learn to pay cash for everything but their house and save enough to pay the bills for a year if they lose their job.

scambo1 12-29-2011 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1109239)
No, they weren't. The reason housing prices collapsed is because banks lent money to people who promised to pay it back. Too many people didn't keep their promise and walked away. When they did so they didn't screw the banks, they screwed the rest of us who do pay their bills and keep their promises. Now you offer this website as an example of how to walk away from your mortgage. Is anyone surprised now that banks don't want to lend?

Carl


If anyone thought that Carl was a tough guy, this post just proved he has a heart. You don't want to know how I think we should handle the situation our country is in. None of my plan calls for working, paying, honest Americans to do more than they are already doing. However, it draws heavily on the lazy, entitled crowd to do their part. Occupy this!

Herkflyr 12-29-2011 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1109239)
No, they weren't. The reason housing prices collapsed is because banks lent money to people who promised to pay it back. Too many people didn't keep their promise and walked away. When they did so they didn't screw the banks, they screwed the rest of us who do pay their bills and keep their promises. Now you offer this website as an example of how to walk away from your mortgage. Is anyone surprised now that banks don't want to lend?

Carl

Absolutely correct. Last I checked no one kidnapped any of these borrowers and put a gun to their head. I have zero sympathy for the banks either. But, how many of those who "can't afford" their payments do you think own an XBox 360, iPad 2, and multiple HDTVs?

reddog25 12-29-2011 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1109154)
What gates are we picking up at the USAIR terminal at LGA?

None...DCI is picking up all the gates:mad:

Wasatch Phantom 12-29-2011 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1109181)
Of course you wouldn't want that to work both ways, would you? Some 48 year old DCI punk kid shows up and wants to jumpseat on YOUR metal, and he damn well better be lower priority than you, right?

Sorry Phuz,

I can't agree with you. By my definition Delta basically "wet leases" (I think that's the correct term) the airplanes from the DCI carriers. We're paying for the airplane, the crew, fuel, maintenance, etc.

If the flight goes out empty the DCI carrier gets paid the same as if it goes out full. Delta assumes all the risks. They have paid for the use of that aircraft.

To me the concept that a DCI pilot would take precedence over a Delta pilot for the jumpseat on an aircraft for which Delta is paying is totally absurd. Similarly, I believe all Delta non-revs should have higher priority that the DCI carrier's employees, retirees, etc.

paxhauler85 12-29-2011 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1109311)
Sorry Phuz,

I can't agree with you. By my definition Delta basically "wet leases" (I think that's the correct term) the airplanes from the DCI carriers. We're paying for the airplane, the crew, fuel, maintenance, etc.

If the flight goes out empty the DCI carrier gets paid the same as if it goes out full. Delta assumes all the risks. They have paid for the use of that aircraft.

To me the concept that a DCI pilot would take precedence over a Delta pilot for the jumpseat on an aircraft for which Delta is paying is totally absurd. Similarly, I believe all Delta non-revs should have higher priority that the DCI carrier's employees, retirees, etc.

So the DCI guy who is commuting home for one of his 11 days at home with his wife and kids (a guy who is pulling the same oar you are for Delta) would miss his commute while the 73 year-old retired reservations agent gets on the flight to ATL to play bridge for 2 days?

Give me a break. You can't sell off regional flying to contractors (for your own raise) and then treat the same people like third class citizens. It's not our fault DL decided to contract out work it could do itself to 15 other companies.

I could entertain leisure travel working that way, but commuters would have to have priority or just keep the system status quo.

I also don't want to see the priority on our own metal change. Perhaps a deal where DCI pilots have a 10 day window to reserve the Jumpseat, and then within 24 hours, DL guys can reserve it. FedEx uses that system, and it seems to work.

Mesabah 12-29-2011 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1109239)
No, they weren't. The reason housing prices collapsed is because banks lent money to people who promised to pay it back. Too many people didn't keep their promise and walked away. When they did so they didn't screw the banks, they screwed the rest of us who do pay their bills and keep their promises. Now you offer this website as an example of how to walk away from your mortgage. Is anyone surprised now that banks don't want to lend?

Carl

I disagree, blame here is squarely on the shoulders of the government. They are supposed to arrest and prosecute people for financial fraud. The economic ruin we are facing is the result of this lawlessness.

PinnacleFO 12-29-2011 04:35 PM

I think a way to fix the mainline/regional problem is to require regionals to paint their aircraft in their own colors. The tail can be the Delta logo if they want but the aircraft has to say Pinnacle or Skywest etc... Also If you want to fly your regional aircraft for delta, then you have to pay for fuel and your training costs. That way mainline will absorb all flying in no time when people don't see Delta on their aircraft or ticket and when the regionals can't afford to buy fuel.

Carl Spackler 12-29-2011 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1109324)
I disagree, blame here is squarely on the shoulders of the government. They are supposed to arrest and prosecute people for financial fraud. The economic ruin we are facing is the result of this lawlessness.

I agree. However, the only financial fraud in this is people signing a promissory note (mortgage), then refusing to uphold the terms of the contract they signed and walking away. But nobody is being prosecuted for this.

Carl

OccupyRestSeat 12-29-2011 04:51 PM

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1109221)
just something I saw on 60 minutes /QUOTE]

well shoot, if it's on 60 minutes, it must be true. :cool:
you do know that show is generally one of the leftist stalwarts of the mainstream media, right? :rolleyes:


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