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finis72 12-31-2011 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1109993)
The only reason the 777 category was a fail in JFK was that its only route was Mumbai - blocked at 17:55 one way. When you tag a few long taxis in there, with the resultant timed out crews, you see why it was a fail. There is no other reason.

One other main reason, the yield dropped significantly with Air India and Jet Airways fighting for market share on that route. Despite rumors to the contrary the big D does not pull out of money making routes.

johnso29 12-31-2011 08:19 AM

Do we get some S2 passes to use, & can we use them on RJ's?

scambo1 12-31-2011 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1110000)
One other main reason, the yield dropped significantly with Air India and Jet Airways fighting for market share on that route. Despite rumors to the contrary the big D does not pull out of money making routes.

Rumor is we are dropping India completely because Air India is just too inexpensive. The CEO just hits up the Prime Minister when he has to make payroll, and the export bank...

scambo1 12-31-2011 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1110000)
One other main reason, the yield dropped significantly with Air India and Jet Airways fighting for market share on that route. Despite rumors to the contrary the big D does not pull out of money making routes.

I forget where it was, Paris maybe several years ago, but we were talking to a Jet Airways 777 crew, each one was a DAL early retiree.:eek:

Herman 12-31-2011 08:35 AM

Sempercashola.
 

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1109939)
Time will tell on next quarter's profit.

IMHO, the 100-130 seat jet is already being flown by outsourced labor.

Time will tell on C2012. Our current collective bargaining agent will determine how 2012 goes for us. Expectations are high, we will see.

Expectations are Reasonable Sir...so are the numbers. The numbers are big. Big is good. Reasonable is good. Good goes Around! Happy New Year NERD...

johnso29 12-31-2011 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1110018)
I forget where it was, Paris maybe several years ago, but we were talking to a Jet Airways 777 crew, each one was a DAL early retiree.:eek:

That's no surprise considering the buyout. Same thing happened at CAL. They left with their retirement & were DEC's on the 777 based in NYC.

finis72 12-31-2011 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1110017)
Rumor is we are dropping India completely because Air India is just too inexpensive. The CEO just hits up the Prime Minister when he has to make payroll, and the export bank...

Yeah it's a wonderful free market isn't it ? I've heard we are going down to 185 777 Capt's in ATL, the good times just keep rolling.

Timbo 12-31-2011 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1110021)
That's no surprise considering the buyout. Same thing happened at CAL. They left with their retirement & were DEC's on the 777 based in NYC.


I have heard this buyout term thrown around once in a while, but what "buyout" are you refering to? Something at CAL?

There was never a buyout at DAL, not this last time and not back in 1996, but the company did let 505 guys retire early (in 1996) with "as if you were age 60" benefits.

When the guys left DAL just before bankruptcy, they basically got -half- of what they had earned in their Defined Benefit retirements. There was a "50% Lump Sum" option to the DB plan. Not more, just half, and certainly no "buyout" from the company! They never got the other half. There is a group of them trying to sue the PBGC to get some of the other half.

Of course the guys who stayed didn't even get the half.

Timbo 12-31-2011 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1110027)
Yeah it's a wonderful free market isn't it ? I've heard we are going down to 185 777 Capt's in ATL, the good times just keep rolling.


I heard they may move ALL the 777 flying to DTW...we lost TLV, it's not coming back, and LOS. A F/A just last night told me they have been told that in March, they are going to put the 747 back on ATL-NRT.

So what's left? DXB and JNB and SYD. They can easily cover that from DTW, with deadheadding, just like they do now. This same F/A told me they were told, "ATL international flying will only be Africa and South America. NYC will do all the Europe and DTW will do all the Asia flying..."

Just remember..."Commuting is a Choice!" :rolleyes:

scambo1 12-31-2011 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1110032)
I heard they may move ALL the 777 flying to DTW...we lost TLV, it's not coming back, and LOS. A F/A just last night told me they have been told that in March, they are going to put the 747 back on ATL-NRT.

So what's left? DXB and JNB and SYD. They can easily cover that from DTW, with deadheadding, just like they do now. This same F/A told me they were told, "ATL international flying will only be Africa and South America. NYC will do all the Europe and DTW will do all the Asia flying..."

Just remember..."Commuting is a Choice!" :rolleyes:


Timbo;
ACL and I had a similar conversation about 30 pages back. ATL is in shrinkage mode big-time from what I hear. I wonder if PG will become a commuter by choice then?:rolleyes:


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