Um, Timbo, remember that according to the survey you're supposed to use all caps when referring to commuter policies. So JUST REMEMBER... "COMMUTING IS A CHOICE MADE BY LOSERS!!" I mean LOOSERS!!

Thanks to trip parking I could see the 777 shrink even if it never gets pulled out. But maybe it will all be based in DTW.

The only problem I have with this rumor is it came from a F/A. NYC doing all Europe is fine and dandy but what if you live in MLB and want to go to Europe? Do you really want to connect in JFK and can JFK handle that even after the expansion? Without looking at any numbers I think ATL 767 flying to Europe mixed with 330s and 764s would remain strong.

ATL is not what it is because of the people who live in ATL, its the connections. On the eyeball test DTW and ATL are much better suited for that then JFK is 8 days out of the week.

I could see the ATL 777 going away though and if it went all DTW then I guess its a win for the company. No moving expenses as 97% of DTW 777 As commute and nearly 90% of Bs commute. Nearly the same as the 80% plus 744 A's and B's that commute. Its just going to suck to be in ATL if even a fraction bid down, but hey, what's new. Now increased A330 flying would help mitigate.

Now, don't forget, we can also merge with Hawaii. Add that into the mix and planning.

One rumor I've heard is ending the NYC 88 category and replaing it in full with A320.

Not from a FA but from a pilot, so barely more believable but still...

I agree although I'm not sure what will happen to the currency. The problems over there aren't a Euro currency problem any more than they are a Drachma or Frank problem. They have a debt problem and its very severe and way beyond their ability to repay. The Euro is just the medium, although the Eurozone and the forced risk sharing that entails is very much in jeopardy. Of course they have us, with the FDIC recently backstopping over 150 trillion (not a misprint) in derivatives as well as the several trillions in missing/classified "Fed" money that likely went over there as well.

It will get ugly there. Very, very ugly. They can kick the can a little bit longer but they are going to experience very hard times. That can actually be an opportunity for us as an airline, since it could significantly decrease the cost of European travel. What I want to know is how does our JV with AF/KLM/AI work in a euro-depression? Are we required to give them half no matter what (half as defined as 50.25% for them with no upward limit for them and no downward limit for us).

Finally although its a bit premature for this (that's what she said) don't discount the possibility for another war over there. Once again, we have a relatively healthy and fiscally responsibile, hard working Germany (and Austria) being forced to come to the aid of the lazy socialist utopian romance language club. Other than how that effects our block hours, I don't really care other than to say no matter what happens over there, we better not bleed for those morons ever again.

Another wild card will be Airbus and their future delivery capability and motivation to offer cheap prices.

Of course DXB will A380 dump on any city pair we do so I wonder if we will stay in the fight or bail on that too. I don't see ATL losing a lot of Europe flying though. The hub is just too big and too well set up to be fed that way.

I thought I saw FTB at the beach, guarding our FAs:

http://www.celebsource.org/wp-conten...tina_ricci.jpg

Somebody please define security in today's reality.
It really wasn't that hard. I had just come back to Delta off Furlough in 2007 and we moved to a small town (just outside the big town we used to live in, still not a bad drive to the Airport for my commute to LA). When we moved here we could have afforded to buy a house BUT the home we were renting was selling for $225,000 and we rented for $900/month. I didn't feel secure about my job, the housing market and these particular homes (or similar smaller or larger homes in the area in proportion). The home would have cost $1200-1300/month + 60-80/month HOA. Made no sense. We finally bought last summer (our rent in the same home had dropped to $800) a beautiful 3 BR, 2 BA single story 1700 sq. ft. end townhome for $125,000 (Less than half original purchase price new in 2007). Nothing down and 4.75% money gives us an $805/month PITI mortgage and $160 HOA. Even if something happens we can stay in this house. I've done OK on some homes and not so well on others but both decisions (Rent in 2007 and Buy in 2011) were no brainers.

Re. Rumors; of all the rumors I've heard over the years, 50% of the F/A rumors have turned out to be true, while 50% of the Pilot rumors have turned out to be false! :eek:

And 60% of the time, it works every time! :D

And 90% of winning is 50% preparation. :cool:

And when ever a DALPA guy has told me, "Don't worry, they would NEVER do that..."

They do it.

I have long tried to figure out why the F/A's seem to have better intel, and sooner, than the Pilots. My guess is, they have more and better friends in Marketing and as we all know, Marketing drives this airline. That's why our A/E's always take another 4-6 weeks to come out!

I have stopped trying to use any logic or reason when it comes to what airplanes fly out of what basses. I think most of the people in Marketing are married to PTC Realators and to them, "Change is good".

I think we are talking about different parts of the spectrum, but I appreciate your answer to what I consider an unanswerable question.

Interesting you should say that. I can't tell anything about my source ... my profile will give me away if the source sees this.

Rumor is the 320 will be picking up A LOT more of the MD88 flying in NYC. 320 assume both Shuttle routes. However, nothing was said about the 88s leaving. My source did say to expect them to pick up more transcons with the stopover in Minn and Atlanta turns.

Both shuttle routes? As in LGA-BOS and LGA-DCA? So we're taking back the DCA shuttle from Frontier? (not a misprint btw).

So that leaves only the Chicago shuttle flown by Frontier. Cool.