Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Well, seems obvious now after giving the initial benefit of doubt.

Let the games begin!

Padre2992 = Industrial Psychologist, which is really just a polite term for one engaged in activity that is negatively directed towards labor. ;)

Carl Spackler

04-02-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1162801)

Yup. I wonder what makes them madder: The fact that we're questioning them, or the fact that by pointing out their game, we're not as stupid as we're supposed to be?

Carl

FlyZ	04-02-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1162770)

Exactly Bill. We know the company wants something now, and we can guess that with the AMR bankruptcy, there will be a second step. Maybe this deal is just the first of a multiple step set of deals, with each one returning something to the Delta pilot group.

So, take the risk with step one, or does sitting on the sidelines for step one mean we do not participate in step two?

We "participated" in step zero about four years ago, and the result has been a miserable period of stagnation and consistently slipping backward EVERY SINGLE BID, making bankruptcy wages, while the company has made money hand over fist. This contract MUST include payback for the synergies we allowed the company to realize. If management does not recognize the part we played in the successful first merger, I want absolutely no part of step one, two, or the others they have in mind.

P.S. Step 0.b.2 was pushing the slot swap through for them. That one sure sucked when they revealed the big secret - turning LGA into DAL RJ Central.

Boomer

04-02-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1161474)

I'm pretty sure that Comair FO rate isn't right. When I used to work there it was 43.

Kind of.

A 6th year FO would be $43/hr if a 6th year FO could hold the CRJ900. They can't.

And the 12th year Captain rate is also misleading. Our 12th year Captrains have been First Officers since 2010, making our 12th year Captain rate effectively $43/hr as well.

That's the cheapest in the industry, but for some reason Delta isn't sending any more planes our way because our crew costs are above average. :confused:

LuvJockey

04-02-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1162231)

The myths about SW get better and better. The minimums at SW are nice. A 3 day trip pays 16 hours and 50 minutes minimum which is 19.5 trips. Their system makes it simple and easy to schedule those days so credit is not found on many trips. The average pilot flies 105 trips a month working 14 to 15 days or so. The average line is around 90 TRP each month and works around 12.5 days before pickups to get to 105. The average SW pilot works around 12 days a month after sick, reserve, mil leave and vacation. The average average Delta pilot works less after those same things are factored in. I don't remember exactly the trip pay however its around 185 per trip at SW. Hourly is around 212 per hour however different sources use different conversions. 212 is close. There contract is up soon like ours.

You sir, have no idea what you're talking about.

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Boomer

04-02-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1161114)

If you are interested in B-25's go to about 4:40 in this clip:

Catch 22 [ Trailers & Clips ] War Films - YouTube

That formation takeoff is great. The CGI was so much better in the 70s (Catch-22, BBBSheep) than it is today.

Is that JC Lawson at 4:59 - 5:01? :D

Boomer

04-02-2012 07:27 PM

Go Wildcats.

Phuz	04-02-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1162784)

Don't know about "fan", but I do watch Fox News quite a bit. I'm a conservative politically and you just don't hear conservative opinion at all on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. You get conservative thought on Fox, along with liberal thought from the likes of Alan Colmes, Ellen Ratner, Al Sharpton (until he got his own show on MSNBC) Ellis Henican, etc. I like hearing both sides, and I just don't get that on the other networks.

I guess I just lost a bud. :(

Carl

You should give NPR and Cspan a shot. Thats thinkin man's news, not all condensed into 20 second sound bytes - if you're a whole story kinda guy anyway.

Also, why is nobody talking about the pinnacle 200 extension? Don't they fly ~140 crj-200s for Delta? And did they not just extend that to 2022 today??? Forgive my ignorance, I just find it interesting that hardly a peep is heard when your jobs get outsourced even longer.

Timbo

04-02-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1162815)

Go Wildcats.

They just did! :D

Avroman

04-02-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1162790)

On the radar, yes. But I did not see dumping the new 900's and keeping the 50 seaters. But when it was realized what the 900's were needed for (in the short term) it was forehead slapping obvious. Comair and ASA have the oldest 50 seaters. Delta management now has the airplanes it needs to trade to Skywest to renegotiate some 50 seat contracts. It isn't everything they need, but for now, it works.

As for Pinnacle / Colgan, it appears to be stabilized destruction. At least they challenged Phillip's $1.5 million "consulting" contact.

Delta just bought itself 16 900's to do another 2 for 1 swap with an ATL based carrier, it also put itself into super creditor position of the airline with the last 140 CRJ200's to come off the assembly line and an easy way to basically have control over what happens to all of them... They can pull the same stunt that happened to Mesaba during the NWA bankruptcy and then immediatly make it the next Comair, spreading out the newer planes to replace the older ones, all the while shrinking the overall fleet. Within 5 years all 200's could be parked based on the outstanding contracts if Delta re-wholloy owns Pinnacola.... Pinnasaba.
Well Played Richard, Phil, John, ect...

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