Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Pinnacle's bankruptcy, which was obviously coordinated with Delta management, appears intended to release nearly the exact number of CRJ900's management was looking for to renegotiate other DCI contracts. These usually go 2 to 1. So, the 16 CRj900 from ATL will likely go to ExpressJet... and like that the "opportunity" touted by ALPA may have just been significantly diminished. Not sure a scope sale is needed (or has great value) any more.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Carl Spackler

04-02-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1161825)

I used to term, "ill-effects", (albeit spelled wrong at first) to help relay the message of your Donut Hole Club. "Vote for us, or D-ALPA, along with their constructive engagement with Delta Mgmt. will continue to erode the pilot profession!!"

Isn't that about right Carl? No other organization other than your Krispy Kreme Fan Club can save the day for the Delta pilots?

Translation: Vote for us, or suffer the ill-effects of the declination of our career/profession at the hands of Delta Mgmt. & D-ALPA.

Yikes. That's your idea of clarifying?

Insults, name calling and unintelligible comments.

Whatever.

Carl

Elvis90

04-02-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1162708)

So which regional will declare bankruptcy next? There's speculation on the DALPA forum. Is their business model sustainable at these oil prices?

buzzpat

04-02-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1162703)

Kentucky looked really good vs. Louisville, but I was impressed with how Kansas came from behind to beat Ohio State. I was in New Orleans for a layover during the Final Four, and the Kentucky players were staying in the Astor, our layover hotel. Every wall was lined with fans waiting to cheer their boys on. Go BLUE! (oh yeah, they're both blue...)

Kentucky will win tonight but it won't matter....it will be vacated when the NCAA finds Calipari again guilty of violations. Just like they did with his UMass and UMemphis final four teams. He's a shyster. Great recruiter but doesn't do it within the rules.

scambo1

04-02-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1162704)

Absolutely. No argument from me there. Because Delta is making a profit, the Delta pilots will get a better contract.

But reality still needs to be faced.

This forum and the DALPA forum have had free rein for the last couple of years creating "facts". Now that DALPA has introduced information that is not congruent with those facts, it has created distrust. I'm sure this is part of the reason for people to turn to alternative forms of representation because the "facts" from that group back up the emotions that have been displayed here for so long. it makes them feel comfortable.

As humans, we make decisions based on a combination of emotions and facts. When the two are so different as they are now (think Roger and 88), it creates uncertainty and fear.

Right now, the perceptions of many do not match what is being presented as facts. It's really hard on some people and they are scared and angry.

Why do you take what Roger said as facts?

Why are we discussing SWA payrates without their workrules? You cant have one without the other.

Short of SWA payrates and workrules, we are left to compare W-2s (Which are significantly farther apart than 11%).

You are relying on only 1/2 of the story to push some agenda and you are really NOT preaching to the choir.

If you can guarantee me: 3 GSWC's/month, we no longer codeshare with Alaska, we have IRONCLAD Int'l production balances, and all new 70+ seat aircraft flying DAL pax are flown by DAL seniority list pilots, I might go for 11% plus a 28% company 401k contribution.

Carl Spackler

04-02-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1161825)

Are you calling your fellow pilots "quitters" Carl?

No, that's you using the term...even when it doesn't fit the discussion. I assume you took the job at Delta because it bettered your life and future. And unless Delta was your first job, you left a previous job to join us...you big quitter you! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1161825)

There's a strong vote of confidence.

That's exactly the point...there is very little confidence in DALPA. That happened for a reason. Were there a confidence vote taken on DALPA, I firmly believe DALPA would lose, and lose big.

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1161825)

You did say they have "given up".

Indeed I did. Many pilots have given up on DALPA and they don't want to hear anything from them anymore. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. Now you seem to think that you will use your extreme "cleverness" to call that being a "quitter" in some vain attempt to make people embarrassed about their completely justified opinion of DALPA. It won't work. But I suggest you hone your skills by trying to call up the people swindled by Bernie Madoff and call them "quitters" for having lost confidence in Bernie.

Carl

scambo1

04-02-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1162708)

Bar;
I think there is more at play right now than what is going on at pinnacle.

capncrunch

04-02-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1162689)

Padre, do you work for DAL? If you are a pilot, what is your base and equipment?

It's a bit odd. He's never been on here before, now its contract time and then poof he's here and strongly pushing an agenda. Not suspect at all.

buzzpat

04-02-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1162728)

It's a bit odd. He's never been on here before, now its contract time and then poof he's here and strongly pushing an agenda. Not suspect at all.

Just like More Bacon. I've been asking him to give us an idea where and what he's on for weeks......NORDO.

Bill Lumberg

04-02-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1162646)

I'd like to avoid the APA path.

They tried to justify their huge "ask" using a number of analogies; former pay rates adjusted for inflation, management compensation, former sacrifices. None of it matters. Get over it.

We all need to live in the here and now. What you guys made in 2004 does not matter to the NMB. That's a brick wall that you cannot get by. If you think that you are going to get a 43% pay raise, you are going to wait, and wait, and wait, and bypass thousands of dollars of income.

I'm suggesting that all of us need to analyze any deal that comes our way, evaluate it based on today's industry, and make a rational decision. That's all. If we get more than SWA on an hourly basis and I don't have to kill myself flying that type of SWA schedule out of SLC for the next 10 years, I'll vote yes
(on the pay part). Scope needs to be evaluated independently.

That's what I want.

NMB? The company needs OUR help now. There must be something else brewing out there. That's called leverage. DALPA uses the NMB as a potential excuse for low balling it.

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