If you say so Carl. Even though it was communicated by D-ALPA that both this opener, and the opener they used for the C2K contract were "broadbased and conceptual" in nature. Here is the exact wording from the "Negotiator's Notepad", dated March 13th, 2012.:rolleyes:

"Like most openers (including the Delta pilots’ opener for C2K), it is broadbased and conceptual in nature."


Yes, and your point? In my example I illustrated the anger of my friend and his opinion of the "weak opener". He had failed to read the fact that D-ALPA stated it was "broadbased and conceptual in nature." What am I missing? Or what are you not understanding about him "not reading the Negotiator's Notepad" before going off about how weak of an opener it was?


That's awesome Carl!!:D Your words, not mine. THEY NEVER ONCE TOLD US............UNTIL THEY TOLD US! Do you read what drivel you write?


Bacon Bits, is that you?:eek: Yes Carl, of course they were conspiring to tell you there wouldn't be an opener, all the while planning on releasing a "phony" opener to the members. Just for the record, the communication from D-ALPA of not seeing the opener, came from the C20 Chairman, not the MEC. Did you ever see comm's from the MEC that the opener wouldn't be released? (Don't think so.)

Riiiiiiight!! (Again, your words in translation.) THEY NEVER TOLD US IT'D BE A CONCEPTUAL, BROADBASED OPENER, UNTIL THEY TOLD US!!

DANG THEM D-ALPA VOLUNTEERS!! DANG THEM TO HECK FOR NOT GIVING US A "CARL SPACKLER MINIMUM ONE-WEEK NOTICE" PRIOR TO COMMUNICATING THE COMMUNICATION WITH US!!


Quite confident I didn't, but feel free to PM me and I'll give you my personal email address and phone number. I'm also quite confident you're not man enough, just like 1S1Engine wasn't man enough to talk in person about a WN/FL debate, but you keep talking your "big game" behind a keyboard there Carl, and I'll actually maintain my integrity by standing behind facts.

They are saying 100 jets were damaged in DFW today. Crazy.

Man, sucks to be AMR these days. When it rains, it pours....literally.

Well unfortunately we currently outsource most of the "SWA schedules" out of SLC and every other hub. I'd like to get a lot of that back and I'd be happy to fly it, all day, every day, if it brings more Delta pilot jobs back to Delta Air Lines.

And scope is absolute. It is what every other thing in the contract is based on. It isn't independant; everything else is dependant on it.

Well they may be able to take the insurance payout and park em.

APA's problem is that they are linked to AMR, which has massive economic problems that pilot contracts can't fix either way. If they settled for the moustache special 5/5/5/5/5 deal, they would have just entered BK sooner because no matter what they did they were going there anyway through no fault of the APA.

I do agree though that we should not stomp our feet demanding restoration or a Caddilac per month or any other emotional based tactic in front of the NMB because regardless of the percentages or dollars involved, it just comes across as unreasonable. Besides there's no need to go that route when there's profitable LCC parity sitting half a concourse away in our biggest hub all while we make more revenue per pilot than they do.

And parity means scope as well as average W-2's and days off for small narrowbody pilots. That evil, company loving NMB everyone likes to point to sure does have an affinity for profitable airline parity.

But I thought college basketball was all about the innocence and purity of the honor of the game. :rolleyes:

Don't really care as long as LeBron never wins a ring (unless he goes back to CLE).

So did DL just "re-up" a bunch of Pinnacle 50's or not?

And if we got all giddy about extra early openers based on 16 crj900's then we sure made a much bigger deal out of that than was warranted given the scale of things.

K, in the spirit of redundance then, did AMR declare bankruptcy because the pilots demanded too much several years ago? So the APA got nothing, from a money hemmoraging company with only a very few bright spots financially since 9-11, and yet AMR is still in serious trouble. How can that be?

If the APA had settled for 5/5/5/5/5 or whatever, they would still be in bankrupcy. Probably a little bit sooner because AMR was going anyway. They have an earth shattering revenue problem that only more consolidation can fix and the pilots could work for Mesa wages and it wouldn't save them.

So do you think our narrowbody flying will be more, less or the same performed by Delta pilots at Delta Air Lines, or some other MBA hatchet man bonus monger scope experiment?